I’ve been playing games for 28 years and it has always been “how can I do this the best way”. People do this for any and all games, whether it’s Sorry or Chess, to Tennis and Football. People enjoy their hobbies, but we enjoy being the BEST at those hobbies because that’s where some find enjoyment. Sorry that you don’t feel that way OP, but don’t throw your agenda around like it’s gospel. It’s not. You’re wrong.
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Just another post from this person complaining about the game and players.
Nothing to see here, move along.
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Can you tell me where I stated he wasn’t nice enough? I have played MMORPGs for 21 years and I started when I was 30 years old. I have seen very good players simply get passed by time and time again. Good people too. I have seen horrible players with bad gear but the “salesman” personality that IS a social butterfly have much more success.
People like who they like. When you find a good fit it will work.
FYI - I don’t need a guild. I mainly play Classic right no, but in both games, I just level anymore. I gave up the guild lifestyle in Cata after too many years of what the OP is talking about.
This absolutely still happens today. Obviously my experience is anecdotal, but this is the exact thing I did, and I know for a fact many guilds still do this.
I can’t believe so many people are so brain washed into thinking they some how are above meta play and us sheep are missing out because we decided to play a meta build
It’s like laughing at someone for using a toaster and telling them they can just cook it over a fire
You toasting using meta scrub
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You’re trying to convince OP that his gear shouldn’t matter as he should be able to get by just on his warm personality. Sounds like something that his mom or dad would say.
There’s tools outside the game such as the Armory and rio that allow players to see just how “skilled” others are, before inviting others to their groups. Being a decent person won’t get you very far.
Even in Classic (just as in Vanilla) you need a guild if you plan on raiding at endgame. However, if all that you plan to do is make gold by leveling, then yes, you don’t need a guild for that except for more bank space.
This got fudged way more than some people realize. There was no way to inspect others’ specs in Vanilla as well as no armory, and thus no way to verify someone else’s actual spec, which meant that a fair number of people slipped through with “close enough” specs – e.g. mages that were frost but not raid cookie cutter frost. Didn’t happen in cutting edge progression guilds often for obvious reasons, but it happened plenty lower on the ladder.
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No what I am saying is that his warm personality if he has one will cover for any gear discrepancy he has. If he isn’t getting picked up by guilds, working on his gear as well as his social skills will benefit him.
In BC my paladin had a raid slot at 68. With no gear. My friends told their guild they knew a paladin who wanted to heal and was willing to join the guild. I joined the guild, and was keyed as fast as they could. They geared me and I was in Kara in no time. None of my friends were in the raid team. It was just my spec.
Sometimes its your class they need.
Sometimes its your personality they want (my ex was this extreme charismatic person and got EVERY major raid team ASAP and she had NO skill)
You can have the best gear, and if you are not outgoing and making friends, or are not the right class/spec, you are not wanted.
Trying to make it 100% about gear is giving the OP false hope and pushing him in a direction you cant guarantee him a guild or raid slot.
I never said being a “good person”. Like I said my ex was charismatic. She could’n even do the solo staff quest from firelands but she got the legendary. She sucked but the raid wanted her around. Like I said, every guild were were in, she was first team within a week. And again, she sucked.
“How miserable of a person would you become?”
Hmm… I’d have a work from home IT job that pays nicely and is totally unaffected by the layoff of 90% of my colleagues, the closure of my initial companies office, and coronavirus. And I’d have zero commute, zero child care expenses. Though I’ll admit I’m gaining a little weight sitting here making the world come to me.
“What is the optimal way to walk?”
Like a duck.
“What is the optimal way to start a conversation with the opposite sex?”
Let her abusive boyfriend punch you, then when she tells him to get lost, ask her if one of your teeth is loose and let her tend to you. (Like the guy in Next.)
“What is the optimal way to do this and that and this and that?”
A woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
“Then, you start looking at other people and see there “flaws”, except its most likely not a flaw and just your corrupted perspective on things and how everything needs to be the best.”
Not a question, but I’ll answer. Who wouldn’t want to be me?!
“I blame this kind of mentality that makes gaming communities toxic. Not just Blizzard games, you see it everywhere. League of Legends, Path of Exile, and the list goes on.”
I blame republicans defunding education and Trump thinking out loud on national TV for people drinking fish tank cleaner and bleach.
“Rewind the clock back to “The good old days” which in itself means nothing, it just means rewind the clock before we developed this “meta” mentality.”
Pulling the lever on my time machine…
“Did we play Nintendo optimally?”
You think Adam Sandler could drive a car backwards at full speed for 15 seconds in New York City while powered up pacman alien was chasing him if he hadn’t played his video games optimally? (Pixels)
“Did we play the original Mario brothers where we continuously fall in that final last pit jump before the boss?”
I got a perfect score on Pitfall 2 Atari 2600 game and recorded it on my vcr once. Does that count?
“Maybe we should have google searched “How to beat the final boss level?’”
No, we subscribed to Nintendo Power!!! With the big colorful maps. It was a way to play games vicariously if you didn’t have them too. Because youtube wasn’t there yet either.
“Did we play SNES and Dreamcast and N64 optimally?”
I could set the handicap completely against myself on Street Fighter 2 - where anyone only had to hit me once to win. And if I was Blanka, I’d still destroy everyone. My father was a sharpshooter with the super scope and could go hours without missing. On Mario Kart, there were time trial tracks I could do without making a skid sound or touching brakes - if you made a skid sound, it added .1 second to your time.
“Were there online wiki’s and meta comps for how to play a certain game a certain way in order to beat it?”
Nintendo Powers, Clue books with the invisible ink and the marker to reveal the vague, less vague, and detailed clues, 1-800 numbers to ask for help on games. Codex of ultimate wisdom book I think for ultima 6. ‘spam spam spam humbug!!!’
“No we just played and so all the games were awesome.”
Oh yeah? How’d you get past the laser in the cave on space quest 1 without the clue book?!?! ‘oh, let me reload my game back to the crash site if I hadn’t saved over it and look around the desert for a piece of glass!’
“Now look at what we have now. In order to play a game, we need 5 wikis, mods, math formulas, 4 monitors, and the ability to predict the future. So much reliance on social media and googling every answer.”
Nintendo power, clue books, altering save files, glossy maps, paper maps, cloth maps, 1-800 numbers, game sharks, game genies…
“Imagine just logging in and just playing? Find the people in game, figure out how to play in game, learn from failures without having everyone quit after one wipe… Naw… Not this generation.”
But we don’t read the video game instruction books or quest text. Does that count?
Woohoo, I did it!
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Yes I would
Strategy guides existed.
Prima and BradyGames made a lot of money before the internet exploded in popularity.
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People were buying/using strategy guides and Nintendo Power since the 8bit NES days for an extra edge in tough games.
I remember busting out my strategy guide for Final Fantasy 1.
People were always getting cheat codes and passwords.
The famous/infamous Konami Code was born in this era.
Don’t forget the ever popular Game Genie and later the Gameshark devices.
I used to see people at Arcades trying to copy combos/moves they got from outside sources.
The Meta is just easier to research and more accessible these days, but gamers haven’t really changed.
People play games for a variety of reasons. Some people enjoy trying to squeeze that extra bit of power or performance out of themselves and their characters.
Some people log in and just play WoW, but those same people likely don’t post on forums or sweat the details.
Some of them are the players other people rage at in BGs and Dungeons for not playing optimally.
You can’t really expect everyone to just ignore whats out there especially with a game that’s almost old enough to drive!
Also
DPS are a dime a dozen, it’s an uphill battle getting into PUGs.
If you want to do tougher content you’re going to have to work at it, and the end of the expansion can be a rough time to do that if you’re just returning.
Have a slice of humble pie and start at the bottom.
Just because your item level is over 450 doesn’t mean you have any relevant experience with current content.
Find a guild working on Heroic raids or even a community for raiding/M+
The meta isn’t your problem, you thinking you are owed a spot in groups is a problem.
You need to earn it.
You don’t go from doing 2’s to 10’s in M+
You don’t go from LFR to Heroic/Mythic level raiding.
Work your way up the ladder and quit blaming “the meta” already.
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Oh look, a post blaming “kids these day” for something that’s been going on for a while. That’s new. 
(Regarding strategy guides–I had one back in the '80s for Pac-Man. Yes, Pac-Man.)
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The same people saying “I’m just going to do what I want” will be complaining a year from now “nobody will play with me!” and blame raider io or whatever the latest scapegoat is.
Everybody except themselves is always to blame.
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I will always choose the underdog over what is popular. In anything. It’s more rewarding to me when I’m successful with what is marked to never be successful
Meta’s are a strong thing in the ARPG Genre. While there has always been a meta level of game in WoW it has naturally increased as more and more elements of the ARPG genre got put into the game. Stuff like Mythic+ requires you to use a meta if you desire to push as far as you possibly can. As much as I personally hate the meta as well, I acknowledge its current need for the level of meta there is in the game. That won’t change until game design is changed.
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Meta has a negative effect on the overall game. You see people in chat asking every question regarding “whats best?”
Guys, whats the best way to level up?
Whats the best class?
Whats the best zone?
Whats the most optimal path?
It gets absurd. JUST PLAY! Finding out your raid stats is fine but literally finding the optimal choice for everything, it gets crazy.
The most optimal way is to never recruit ilvl 440-450 right? Just wait until you get a 460+ ilvl…
The most optimal way is to go by raider io right? Because that websites shows if they are a returning player to WoW but still a good player right?
I don’t want to be listed on raider. io but I guess I have no choice? I never asked to be a part of that website.
i generally dont ever play meta, but because i came to BFA EXTREMELY late(4weeks ago). I decided to cookiecut and be meta, atleast just to learn the content witout hindering anyone.
Once ShadowLands launches ill probably do my own thing and not cookie cut.
The game used to be hopelessly imbalanced and built around skill. The better players just got further, got more gear and did more because of it. Years of casualisation made it so it was possible to get more and more gear regardless of success/skill. Now, hilariously, those people are replaced by try-hards that will mindlessly grind gear over and over for the most minor of upgrades to give themselves an edge over other try-hards. That is the meta. That is the game they are playing. The second you point out how ridiculous this tailchasing farce is, they will start linking their bullyio and uptime in logs and other nonsense to insist that they are good players, as if any of those things existed during the game’s golden age.
So yeah, let them chase their stupid metas. Let them eat each other over 1% DPS upgrades and meters nobody but them even look at or care about. You can get all the gear you ever need running a 15 every week and even a useless faceroller like me can do it. I’d say app to raids but raids aren’t even important anymore, it’s just M+ nonsense. Nobody cares if you do a +25 except the guy that can do +20 who is mad. Let them dance among the clouds with each other with their stupid metas.
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They’ve made the gap between top and bottom gear and specs too much. They should be ashamed for the lack of balance and at least some sort of effort. I’ll never look stuff up unless it’s a quest, but dont mind people who do.