Or… and I know this is a wild concept never before seen… I could tell them because I’m a veteran player who already instantly knows and I enjoy talking to new people.
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I’ve seen something like that before in other mmos and it’s usually quite garbage. It has probably something to do with marking your character as “newbie helper” and new players can search for these to ask questions. That’s the most basic and lazy solution that I’d imagine Blizzard will go for.
Imagine doing something actually helpful like giving players certain rewards for helping them doing/completing m+/or raiding(not LFR…).
Go and participate in your class discord as one of the people there that write guides or just want to answer questions. I’m sure after 10000 questions a day of which talent to choose you’d be doing the same thing they do in there which is tag “go to pins” for every question asked.
I’m not saying don’t help people but this is coddling at it’s worse lol, bfa is already over coddling casual players with the sheer amount of gear you get a week. If you can’t put in the minimal effort to google or wowhead something you aren’t worth the time in my opinion, I’ve helped a lot of people over the years to learn their class or achieve a goal, more recently how to make gold and such but I typically won’t bother if they’re basically tourists in that regard, unless you put in the time/effort to get ahead as others have done and will continue to do I don’t think you deserve to get there. This isn’t even gating, it takes so little effort to learn everything in wow just from wowhead and youtube. People are just lazy and this will enable them even more.
Being a “mentor” in FF14 myself, I keep that little crown in front of my name turned off because of this. There are helpful people in the system but most of them are stuck up snobs that think they are perfect. The others unlock the system just because they want the mount.
The second problem with the mentor system and what I run into the most is people you’re trying to help or give advice to just ignore you. It’s like they either don’t ignore chat or just have it turned off.
As for the Novice Network chat channel, I advise all new players to leave it. It’s pretty much your trade chat in WoW. Just scrolling garbage chat and people arguing over petty things.
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I assure you I’m quite capable of doing just that if I so chose. But I’m talking about mentoring people who are new to the game, which seems to be a possible addition to Shadowlands. I don’t understand why you’re so personally offended that I’d like to help people.
Nobody is going to force you into any mentoring system. Feel free to allow the others who enjoy helping, help. Unless you’ve got stock in one of those websites and you need the ad views. Idk.
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I’m not, I’m kind of embarrassed at the system in general, I couldn’t care less about you or what you decide to do. There is already enough information that every single person has access to out there, people are just entitled/lazy or incompetent in that regard to google or wowhead/youtube something they want to find out. Like I said it’s a dbm caller for questions that have already been answered a thousand times on those sites or class discords.
The thing that would scare me away from this is a question of what Bliz wants the mentors to teach vs what is actually correct to teach.
What if they ask a question about professions? Do you try and sell them on the usefulness of professions, or do you explain that, no, they’re not all that helpful while lvling (especially true since these are newbies who have to lvl up through the old content - which will have BfA professions, not SL ones). What if they ask stuff about azerite powers or the War campaign?
There are going to be specific questions that may deem difficult to google or wowhead in that regard but when it comes to professions there are dozens if not hundreds of youtube videos and streams with varying opinions on the subject. Personally professions don’t churn out enough gold to be worth unless you intend on cancel scanning all day every day to compete with the hundreds of other people selling mats or professions crafts.
They aren’t particularly great to level up with either because they slow you down, some people may not mind that which great go get them, those that intend on using professions in general it is slightly a good idea to level up with them so you don’t have to go back to old content depending on the profession you want to use most notably gathering professions which you’d drop for crafting professions after you hit cap usually.
As far as azerite powers go I’m assuming you mean armor or neck essences, those would be answered a thousand time over on their class discord the second it came out and the no lifers had time to research and sim/math it out to get the best answer possible, not sure what you mean by war campaign I guess you mean getting lost, I don’t see how that’s possible ever since they added categories apon categories of icons on your map that tell you exactly where to go and what to do. You don’t even need to read the quests anymore, as typically if there’s an item it’ll show where it is on the map or a mob will show when you hover over it that you should kill it etc. There are very few if any reasons to actually need to read a quest anymore unless you’re a lore buff.
My entire point is the information is out there, if you’re too lazy to put out the smallest effort to find it I have no sympathy for you lol. That is unless you pay me. Those that I deem worthy and actually put forth effort and you can tell who they’re, I don’t mind passing on my knowledge as I’ve taught a lot of high end players that are still in top 50 guilds and it does give you some accomplishment, I’m not saying I was the reason they got there but I do believe a small part was.
Yeah the problem with a lot of that information is that it assumes you already have a background in WoW. So not really gonna help out a lot of the newbies.
Hopefully it will be like the old EQ guide system. Players couldn’t just randomly do it, they needed to be vetted, and they could not do it on their home server.
Ah sorry for the confusion - my post wasn’t targeted at you specifically.
Just more of a general “what if the correct answer is the opposite of the Blizzard answer” deal.
It doesn’t take much to google to get started or find a guild, learning that wowhead/google/youtube exists isn’t what were getting at here which isn’t a barrier for entry what so ever. It’s that they want players to basically read a script from one of those websites and handhold someone that’s too lazy to do it themselves.
Perfect example of this, some of my work history has been from the bottom level to the top level in cable/internet/tv as a career, I’ve worked a call center, an install tech a mainline tech etc. most of what you can think of if it’s customer services oriented and tech related I’ve probably worked it.
99% of people didn’t want to troubleshoot over the phone, they also thought that they’d get a technician free of charge sent out to their homes because people think it’s the cable companies equipment why shouldn’t they fix it. Well in 95% of issues with any service from internet/tv/phone it was typically user error or they moved stuff and unplugged something so still user error in that regard.
I mean if you really need a tech sent out to change the batteries in your remote that’s fine, were charging you 100$ for gas, employees time/tools etc.
This is how I view this system, they could’ve talked to a customer service rep which most call centers I’m sure the first thing they have you check is the power level on your remote by holding down a specifc key or just swapping them out to be sure. I would say 70% of all calls were remote related, 25% were user error along with moving equipment, the last 5% was stuff that actually required a tech like their dish getting hit by lightning/tornado which I’ve had a few, needing to be reset cause it’s their vacation home or on a boat etc.
Yeah no anything I post typically isn’t targeted at anyone specific, may seem like that but no it wasn’t. Just my general point on a system or the type of player they may be referencing.
I’m not reading all of that irrelevant self-congratulations. I saw further up that you believe that the wisdom you could impart on newbies is so wonderful that you should be paid.
This system probably isn’t aimed at you.
If I was a new player I wouldn’t take your word for it either, that’s all I’m saying. It’s not like I’d go and get advice from some bum on the corner vs walking into bestbuy and asking about the tv I was thinking of buying.
Not to call you a bum, just stating a fact.
Big yikes.
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Was by no means an attack on you, just a general statement would you rather trust some random dude or someone that is actually paid to do a job and expected to know the answer, that’s where wowhead/class discords and other websites come into play, theyre basically paid for and are setup and run by top end players that know every thing about everything.
When I set my eyes on something I research it beforehand to make it as efficient as possible. I mean I don’t know if you recall but they used to and may still sell paper back guides with console/pc games, heck even blizzard had a booklet in their expansions which I believe I still have lying around here somewhere and fan sites like wowhead for every game in existence has been around and available to everyone.
But to be straight to the point, I don’t think anyone of any serious knowledge, there will always be exceptions but the majority won’t bother. Those that do probably aren’t doing any meaningful content and all it’s going to turn into in my opinion is a cop out way to get other people to play with you whether you’re the guide or the new player.
i asked for this years and years ago. but be kinda like the UO way. where when a new account is created and someone logs into the game. a Mentor will be alerted and can port to that person and welcome them. Offer advice, kinda walk around the starting area and explaining things, like the combat and setting up an action bar. from there they can also maybe conjure up a gift box, with like some healing potions and a little starter cash (like 5g at most). and only for brand new accounts 1 time.
the mentoring stuff ive seen people talk about, sounds like that should be stuff guilds do for their people… back in Asheron’s Call, we had the Allegiance System. where someone would swear allegiance to you, and you incentive to help them and keep them happy, was a passive XP passed up to you, based on how much XP your vassal earned (max level was not an easy thing back then).
maybe thats where the mentoring system for classes and dungeons should come from, In-Guild.
I would agree, but there are too many dead realms and dead guilds. Especially those ‘social’ guilds that are nothing but grats machines.
I agree, that would be something a guild should be doing to further progression and such. I do find most people are too lazy to find one though, if you look for it you’ll find them. There are plenty of posts on here complaining that they can’t get into pugs or this and that, there are hundreds if not thousands of normal/heroic guilds to get you started. It is actually the most efficient way to gear and such as well, the most obvious answer staring you in the face typically is too simple for most people I find and think it’s more complicated or they make it complicated themselves.
Want to make gold flip items, oh you want to know specifically which items well why would I do the work for you when I could take over that market and have less competition and make more gold for my self to buy tokens and other stuff.