I am sorry to hear you have had a poor experience with other players, OP. I play on Myzrael, and my experience has been only positive (yeah, there is snarkiness in Elwynn Forest and Barrens chat, but…that’s the nature of that beast). Everyone has been super helpful and willing to group up for quests, and loot has never been a problem.
I got a good chuckle outa that
Rose tinted glasses. Cmn
@evileyes I feel you. Don’t know if it’s the instant gratification mentality that was instilled by Retail, or nolifer style of wanting to be there first… I used to be guilty of the latter, I’ll admit. Used to raid hardcore progression (as a tank) since WotLK until I burned out. Now I play just for my own enjoyment, and avoid guilds for the same reasons as you. I don’t want to feel like I have a duty to level up quickly, to invest more time than I can realistically afford, and most of all I don’t want the game to turn from having fun into a chore.
Watching the pointless rush and greed is a bit disheartening. We’ve got enough selfishness and general jackassery in our RLs - there’s no need to bring that into a game.
But don’t let that turn you away. Those who rush to the endgame now will eventually quit. There’ll be nothing more for them to achieve and they’ll turn their attention to another game. In the meantime, people like us can just take it easy and play at our own pace and actually enjoy it.
If im in a group and a blue/epic BOE drops I am the last person to need/greed. If everyone needs I need, if everyone greeds I greed. If someone is holding out I need at the end of the timer. If someone playing one class and says they need it for another one of their characters, that is no good. I need against them. You roll for gear on the character you are playing, I don’t care what alts you have.
Then if there are 2 need rolls and the rest are greed, If I won i let the other 3 roll and if they beat my roll then I trade them the item.
I have never seen so many people that are just down right rude and selfish in my entire gaming history and I come from when MMO’s came out back in the day. 1997,respectively.
There are millenials playing games these days, there weren’t “back in the day” … could easily be some correlation.
This is a problem with society as a whole not just wow.
I know I’m not the only one that has to deal with the selfish mentality, but it is seriously OUT OF CONTROL!!! I have never seen so many people that are just down right rude and selfish in my entire gaming history and I come from when MMO’s came out back in the day. 1997,respectively.
I’m not complaining about some people but the majority of the players seem to have this mindset that the game revolves around them and if you decide to help them you are by no means able to need or greed on a BOE. Forget about it.
I want to give examples here but you guys already know them all, I’m sure. It’s just getting to the point where I feel sad playing this game, lol. It sounds stupid but it’s the truth. It’s just a becoming a huge disappointment to me.
Okay here is one latest example, I was out doing quests I asked a mage to join group to get the quest done he said “okay sure”, He went on to say you can heal and I will aoe" I said okay cool. Well we were doing that and of course a boe drops a neck piece with strength and stam. He needed on it and I asked if I could need on it too, he said no, I said “how come, it is a tank piece.” He replied “because I need this stuff, I have a tank”. I said so do I, in fact I have all classes". I passed on it and said to him " I might just quit this game, everyone is so mean and selfish". He replied “don’t be sad dude” , you will get your chance".
I didn’t reply back , just left it as it was. But ya know what I was really disappointed with him saying no, to the point I think he felt it and I know that may sound strange but maybe he did feel my sadness. It didn’t make me angry , it made me sad. But that is another topic all together.
So as a healer I just see the horrors of it all. I mean people needing on everything and anything. My experience has been more bad then good. But ya know what I don’t get mad, I just keep going and hope to meet good people. I tried to have the selfish mentality but its just not my nature. I do think that maybe I just don’t fit in the game anymore. Which is also sad to me because I have played the game since 04.
I don’t know I mean I’m sure you guys don’t care about a random player but I just don’t know what it was about tonight that truly upset me to the point I came here to the forums. I guess I’m just tired of it and if its not fun or positive , why bother ya know?
I try to create my own fun and stuff and not rely on others so much because I have been let down in the game so much, I mean even in guilds the tank would take loot they didn’t need or I seen mages take staves with strength on them and I just say to myself “whatever, I’m here for the experience.”
Which I have had some great ones like tonight , you know that Elite guy in dusk wood Mel something. Well It was a Pally and I, we downed him just us and the funny thing is I’ve seen full groups not able to take that guy on. We both said Good job to each other at the same time and that is what I love about this game, kindness and working together and fairness.
Also some of these guild leaders are for the birds, someone posted about the gm of their guild giving them a hard time for having an alt, well I got kicked from my guild for being on my alt and not leveling fast enough. Yep, not cool. You dont do that crap. I just don’t understand the mentality these days at all. I was there in vanilla up to Cata. Ninja looting was rare and I was on the Shattered hand in one of the best guilds, but regardless of that. I never seen so many selfish people and maybe it’s because I pvped mostly after BC came out. I dont know. But as a healer I really do not want to deal with raids, if these lower lvl dungeons and groups are this way now, I can only imagine how raids are gonna be.TLDR, the game feels way different from back in the day, the bad ones were the rare now its the good ones are the rare. That is all. I hope you guys out there are having better experiences.
What it boils down to is that the core audience is different. The kids of 15 years ago are the core audience now. And this is what we have.
Ok bro, I feel you. But here is the thing: out of two of you the only difference is that you decided to be nice about it. That’s all. He didn’t ask to need but you did. I completely understand your point. Although none of you specifically needed that item for your characters that you are playing at the moment. So you both should’ve greed on it. But I share the same view about people being greedy about items in a GAME. I get it, I think it’s the best game ever and I love it and I want to have the best gear in it but not the way people like him doing it.
Recently one of the members from Ferers De Sang guild from Heartseeker server rolled need on a flask recipe when he wasn’t an alchemist with two people in a group having 300 alchemy skill. He reasoned his behavior by saying “bro! It’s 300g!!! Do you think I let you ninja that?!?” Or something of that sort. Once again: he wasn’t alchemist while two other party members were and legitimately needed the recipe. He told me “lol I’m sure you would need on a krol blade if it dropped”. I’m a shaman, and no, I would t need on it if someone in the party would be able to use it and it would’ve been an upgrade.
Unfortunately there is no way wround people like that not only in the game but in the society today in general. The only advice I can give you is not to pug but find a good heal that you can rely on for leveling, dungeons and farming and you will not have issues like that or it will be minimal
I know I’m not the only one that has to deal with the selfish mentality, but it is seriously OUT OF CONTROL!!! I have never seen so many people that are just down right rude and selfish in my entire gaming history
It’s healthy to want to discuss these things. Please dont ever stop. And yes, I agree there seems to be a overwhelming amount of selfish people in Classic that are down right rude.
I come from when MMO’s came out back in the day. 1997,respectively.
I started playing online games in early 2000. I honestly felt back then people were much more welcoming, kind, generous, and patient. It’s what made me fall in love and become so addicted to online gaming.
I’m not complaining about some people but the majority of the players seem to have this mindset that the game revolves around them and if you decide to help them you are by no means able to need or greed on a BOE.
I agree. However, I only ever experience this when I play with PUGs. I encourage you to please find a guild of like minded individuals and play with them from this point forward. I can personally guarantee you that 99% of these issue disappear when playing with guildies.
He needed on it and I asked if I could need on it too, he said no, I said “how come, it is a tank piece.” He replied “because I need this stuff, I have a tank”. I said so do I, in fact I have all classes". I passed on it and said to him
I’m sorry but this 100% your fault. You should have stuck up for youself and told that little gnome punk you were going to roll need. There is absolutely no reason they would have priority over you. You both contributed to the kill. You both have an equal right to the loot.
Stick up for yourself man!
So as a healer I just see the horrors of it all. I mean people needing on everything and anything.
This has been so freaking frustering for me. People are either absolutely moronic or all have absolutely no integrity, morals, or ethics. So they need on everything because they can’t understand such a basic concept like “need” or “greed”.
Or my favorite “I’m rolling need as to not get an item ninjad from me” So in other words you are ninjaing an items because you are in fear of it being ninjad from you. KK got it, scumbag.
For anyone reading this. Need is for when it’s an upgrade and or you are going to use the item upon receiving it. Greed is for when you want to sell the item for money - I know, shockingly difficult to understand.
My experience has been more bad then good.
This was my experience un till I decied to never group with randos. Made my life much much simpler and less drama.
But ya know what I don’t get mad, I just keep going and hope to meet good people.
That’s a great mentality to have. Dont let these people beat you down.
You must become the change in the world you wish to see!
TLDR, the game feels way different from back in the day, the bad ones were the rare now its the good ones are the rare. That is all. I hope you guys out there are having better experiences.
I agree, the game is substantially different than what it used to be back in 2004-2006. Were there people like this back in Classic? Yes, absolutely. Were they as prominent as they are in this day and age? No.
Please find youself a guild of like minded individuals. I assure you, it will resolve a majority of your problems.
I wont even play with PUGs anymore because I run into so many of these issues you described. It truly sucks the fun out of the game, for me.
Best of luck to you on your adventures.
In any case, classic brings out the greediness in people
Don’t you mean the “neediness”?
I mean…blame streamers? They put that mind set into the player base. It’s kind funny how they back peddled on them saying it’s all bout the community and just alienate themselves from the community.
I blame the horde for all of this
Have you been outside and interacted with other people lately? It’s not just in vidya games dude.
Honestly, this post sounds no different than back in the day.
I met up with some people horde side on a server and we talked about when new fresh servers come out, we’d re-roll alliance.
At first it was great, we all re-rolled and picked key pieces (classes) so that we could add guild members later and not have our progression slowed down by bad players. The core was solid, we progressed quickly and then the greed set in.
I’ve never seen such childish behavior from “adults”. The constant bickering over Ventrillo about who deserved what and why. When stuff dropped in MC and elsewhere, the foolishness dialed up to 11.
Being a guild master sucked. I dreaded logging into deal unbelivebly childish crap from these people and for a time I tried to inject some sanity. Pfft, that didn’t work, the guys that I started the guild with, the ones we spent hours gearing, all left.
I don’t think this is a “Classic”, “Vanilla” or otherwise. It’s textbook human Internet behavior. I’m not saying everyone does it. I’m not saying everyone is a jerk. I am saying that this isn’t new.
Streamers (the sucessful ones) are no different than the TV. You guys watch because they say outlandish crap. Doing anti-social stuff dials into people. You are being (in some senses) conned.
No one is going to watch an hour and a half of the safe operation and maintenance of a locomotive. They want to watch a train wreak.
translation- i missed out on a shiny and now the world is evil
I had a mage get angry at me for rolling need on Int/Spirit BoE Green gloves.
Said it would have been an upgrade for them. Gloves were 7int 6 spirit, I has wearing 4 agil, 4int, 3stam gloves from a quest, they were waring 6 int 6 spirit gloves.
Also had a level 34 warlock take the level 39 Whitemane hat I’d been trying to get for a long time.
Didn’t really matter to him he had 5 levels before he could use it, and probably would be running SM Cath more as he leveled. He got his and left.
People are selfish. Classic is no different than Retail.
You have people rolling need on stuff they don’t need because they just want gold.
You got people taking BoE blues saying they are upgrades, then turning around and selling them on the AH for some gold, ect. ect.
That’s how this game has been since inception.
I’m not complaining
You do.
Retail that way -------------->
You’re making this drama in your head, alone.