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Ok that was p funny.
Hey it's Havoc, rogue and boomkin that are the cream fotm specs. Mage falls off a bit.
There were a couple locks and an Unholy DK as well!
There were a couple locks and an Unholy DK as well!
Also folks like me who don't want to go anywhere near Mythic anything still have to do a mythic to finish off the story of the two islands.
I don't care how easy some folks say M0 is I want nothing to do with the mythic 'scene' at all, leave that for the pro-guilds and e-sports folks I just want to get the story done.
I hope they make Siege of Boralus and Kings Rest heroic soon, I just want to finish the story Blizz I don't want to be a e-sport star. :(
I don't care how easy some folks say M0 is I want nothing to do with the mythic 'scene' at all, leave that for the pro-guilds and e-sports folks I just want to get the story done.
I hope they make Siege of Boralus and Kings Rest heroic soon, I just want to finish the story Blizz I don't want to be a e-sport star. :(
11/05/2018 12:39 PMPosted by NuadenAlso folks like me who don't want to go anywhere near Mythic anything still have to do a mythic to finish off the story of the two islands.
I don't care how easy some folks say M0 is I want nothing to do with the mythic 'scene' at all, leave that for the pro-guilds and e-sports folks I just want to get the story done.
I hope they make Siege of Boralus and Kings Rest heroic soon, I just want to finish the story Blizz I don't want to be a e-sport star. :(
But Mythic 0 isn't in esports....
11/05/2018 12:52 PMPosted by Jalen
But Mythic 0 isn't in esports....
It's not, but many people have described it as a 'stepping stone' for getting into that kind of competitive play.
I just want nothing to do with any of it. If they insist on this kinda thing for ending the content at least make a LFM0 or something. Or ya know, make them have heroic versions because they are important to the story.
The idea of competitive dungeons seems pretty ludicrous to me anyway. Like, why is that an E-Sport ? Playing PvE against timers and computer controlled AI.
Just imagine in ancient Rome or Greece, the coliseums were filled with people who came to watch mighty gladiators, trained to kill, put through insane daily routines, basically alive only to fight, compete.
But instead of competing with other gladiators in combat, they fight wooden dummies who move in preset patterns and attack in preset intervals with indicators showing where they plan to strike. Controlled by some puny peasant from outside the fighting pit.
Sound fun ?
E-Sports.
Just imagine in ancient Rome or Greece, the coliseums were filled with people who came to watch mighty gladiators, trained to kill, put through insane daily routines, basically alive only to fight, compete.
But instead of competing with other gladiators in combat, they fight wooden dummies who move in preset patterns and attack in preset intervals with indicators showing where they plan to strike. Controlled by some puny peasant from outside the fighting pit.
Sound fun ?
E-Sports.
11/05/2018 12:39 PMPosted by NuadenAlso folks like me who don't want to go anywhere near Mythic anything still have to do a mythic to finish off the story of the two islands.
I don't care how easy some folks say M0 is I want nothing to do with the mythic 'scene' at all, leave that for the pro-guilds and e-sports folks I just want to get the story done.
I hope they make Siege of Boralus and Kings Rest heroic soon, I just want to finish the story Blizz I don't want to be a e-sport star. :(
M0 is casual content. I literally dinged 120 at the start of the expansion and knocked 2 out later in the day in quest gear.
Whats wrong with M+?
I don't seem to have a problem with it...
The only real change I see from Legion is "more challenging trash", as a way to compensate the removal the "boss one shot mechanics" from Legion. Something that forced players to have like "Prydaz and Avoidance + Versatility" gear sets for swapping.
The only change I don't really like is not being able to swap gear mid dungeon.
I remember early in Legion, people were also strugging a crying about M+. But as time went by and people got better and better with dungeons and memorized how to do things properly, it just got better and better.
In the same sense that every hated Seat and Cathedral because they were new and ppl just didn't know how to do them compared to the other older ones.
There is a Mythic 0 version, without a timer for those who don't want the pressure of a timed run, and can be completed in 320 blue gear without any issues.
I don't seem to have a problem with it...
The only real change I see from Legion is "more challenging trash", as a way to compensate the removal the "boss one shot mechanics" from Legion. Something that forced players to have like "Prydaz and Avoidance + Versatility" gear sets for swapping.
The only change I don't really like is not being able to swap gear mid dungeon.
I remember early in Legion, people were also strugging a crying about M+. But as time went by and people got better and better with dungeons and memorized how to do things properly, it just got better and better.
In the same sense that every hated Seat and Cathedral because they were new and ppl just didn't know how to do them compared to the other older ones.
There is a Mythic 0 version, without a timer for those who don't want the pressure of a timed run, and can be completed in 320 blue gear without any issues.
11/05/2018 12:57 PMPosted by NoktenThe idea of competitive dungeons seems pretty ludicrous to me anyway. Like, why is that an E-Sport ? Playing PvE against timers and computer controlled AI.
Just imagine in ancient Rome or Greece, the coliseums were filled with people who came to watch mighty gladiators, trained to kill, put through insane daily routines, basically alive only to fight, compete.
But instead of competing with other gladiators in combat, they fight wooden dummies who move in preset patterns and attack in preset intervals with indicators showing where they plan to strike. Controlled by some puny peasant from outside the fighting pit.
Sound fun ?
E-Sports.
It's almost like the race to world first for raids but on a smaller scale. People are interested in the race to world first and MDI.
I don't like Esports in general but I like watching the MDI and I enjoy the MDI a lot more than the WoW arena tournaments.
People have different tastes.
I love American football and hate baseball.
11/05/2018 08:55 AMPosted by CuckchanI watched the atrocity that was the MDI and the entire time, the only question on my mind was: "They ruined the dungeon experience for... this?"
Highly curated comps. Cheesing the instance. Taking weird routes. Pulling half the mobs in one zone.
And for what? So a couple of nerds can be on stage and show that they waste the majority of their day clearing static PvE content?
Shame on Blizzard for catering to 0.0000001% of the player population that enjoys bad affixes, terrible trash pack design, chain interrupts, and other nonsense that has no place in a dungeon.
Here's my anecdotal experience of M+ currently: nobody in my guild runs M+ besides their weekly +10; my SotS has been untouched this week because why would I ever torture myself putting myself through this dungeon; I'm pretty much at 370: what's the point of running M+? Why aren't 10+ keys offering 385 gear?
Seriously: fix your damn system Blizzard. Why are you going back to catering to a tiny segment of the player base that is not representative of the majority of folks who want to progress through M+ without having to memorize trash pack abilities?
Your argument boils down to "having M+ is worse than not having M+."
It is stupid. Really stupid.
11/05/2018 12:55 PMPosted by NuadenIt's not, but many people have described it as a 'stepping stone' for getting into that kind of competitive play.
I just want nothing to do with any of it.
I mean sure, in the sense that Heroic raiding is a "stepping stone" for getting into the world first race...It can lead there if you want to go there, but most people won't.
As for the MDI, I think that event is moot and irrelevant.
People competing at "13" keys which is considered a low key given people are pushing 20+ keys already (at the highest level of players).
The MDI is pretty small. Players like Gingi from Method EU and other really high end players didn't even go to Blizzcon participate. Players who have completed +20 keys in time. The players who are ranked number one in the world in terms of how high M+ can even be pushed currently.
People competing at "13" keys which is considered a low key given people are pushing 20+ keys already (at the highest level of players).
The MDI is pretty small. Players like Gingi from Method EU and other really high end players didn't even go to Blizzcon participate. Players who have completed +20 keys in time. The players who are ranked number one in the world in terms of how high M+ can even be pushed currently.
His point is that M+ as well as the rest of the game suffers because of their focus on MDI. Which is undeniably true.11/05/2018 09:07 AMPosted by DvisBased on your experiences, the entirety of the player population suffers because of M+ ...
11/05/2018 09:31 AMPosted by Rastlin11/05/2018 09:19 AMPosted by Locgarraider io is what killed m+.
I despise raiderio.
However, it is a symptom, not the actual problem.
If 5 random people could group up, in modest gear, and have a reasonable shot at clearing the weekly 10 (with or without the timer) without having to execute every little thing perfectly or learn 100 complex mechanics for every pull, then raiderio would not be needed.
It's very possible. The guild I am in is casual at best. We raid 2 nights a week for 2 hours a piece and are 7/8 heroic. We have absolutely no issues clearing anything from +10 to +12. We may not multi-chest it every time, but we are pretty close if we don't get it. We all float around 370 ilvl, with me at 369. +10's aren't hard. Nothing about this game is "hard" anymore. Why people get so butt hurt because 5 nerds want to do timed runs is beyond me. I'm 1400 in 2s. So what. I arena when I want to. I don't let the fact that I'm not Glad deter me from enjoying the game the way I want to. Grow up...
11/05/2018 12:57 PMPosted by Nokten
But instead of competing with other gladiators in combat, they fight wooden dummies who move in preset patterns and attack in preset intervals with indicators showing where they plan to strike.
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We don't live in ancient times anymore. So imagine those dummies become faster as the fight drags on. New traps start to spring up from all directions. Combatants need to adjust and increase their pace to stay alive or perish. Last man standing wins all.
It's hard to call MDI an E-sport but it was fun to watch regardless. To each their own.
11/05/2018 09:19 AMPosted by Locgarraider io is what killed m+.
Yeah, it gave bigots a metric they can use to determine who is inferior to them.
The WoW version of phrenology.
It's not, but many people have described it as a 'stepping stone' for getting into that kind of competitive play.
Maybe you should give it a shot yourself then?
11/05/2018 01:21 PMPosted by Norayeda11/05/2018 09:19 AMPosted by Locgarraider io is what killed m+.
Yeah, it gave bigots a metric they can use to determine who is inferior to them.
The WoW version of phrenology.
No, it gave players a metric to determine who has experiences in the dungeons they are about to run and in M+ in general. You might be good if you have a low score, but you are likely to be good when you have a high score. Of course someone is going to go with the better odds on high keys.
11/05/2018 12:59 PMPosted by Lathander
M0 is casual content. I literally dinged 120 at the start of the expansion and knocked 2 out later in the day in quest gear.
Will people let casuals run it then? This raider io thing, will people use that to tell me I can't run myth 0?
This would all be solved if they just had heroic versions. :(