RPG Elements are basically You can equip and upgrade your characters to become better at monster killing or for progressing characters
They can also
:gasp:
upgrade their own key to a +10.
But that requires work.
They can also tank or heal. Being DPS #34665 hurts them too.
Because the higher Ilvl guy has better math on his side.
Your opinion gets destroyed by the math.
Also, it’s MORE likely that person HAS done some extra content in order to get to that higher ilvl anyway, INCLUDING a few Mythics.
Didnt realize it was required for a mythic 0. It isn’t really even a thing amongst groups till about 7-8 ish level and only really required for 9 and above.
I see you have not carried many people, they do not do equivalent dps.
Yes you can push your own key even without decent io, i have done it on many alts.
Lol no they don’t. They potentially can do better, but if they spend half the run on the ground because they keep dying then theyre not outperforming anything.
“Math on their side” is so far my favourite meme about why rio is bad though so thanks for that.
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That’s ok, you can just keep hand waving it off. You’re still wrong, and your elitism is showing.
How is it elitist to use all available information to make a more informed decision about who to invite.
You’re the one who is preferring higher item level because:
Anyone can get a mythic kill and score some gear from there. Just because they have a high itemlevel doesn’t mean they’re good in a M+ situation with a small group.
Experience and player skill >>>>>>>>>> ilevel. Just like it has been since Vanilla and every game before wow. Better gear is just another factor that helps improve the odds.
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You’re right, it is the problem, so why are you contributing to it with tribalism?
You can try to trivialize that “website” as much as you want to. If it didn’t exist people would be failing 10s more often than not.
Better players don’t want to be weighed down by the really terrible ones.
If you took away Raider io any group that timed a simple 15 would be adding each other and networking even harder to alleviate themselves from the masses of bads.
You would be harder pressed to pug because anyone with a modicum of skill would be adding people like crazy. You would be left with the undesirables.
Stay in your lane with people of similar skill levels.
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Go play that game then.
Yeah but at least if they are toxic I can get them banned for it. shrug
I can play both and give my opinion on both. So sorry but not going anywhere so you can have your echo chamber.
It’s funny, most of the feedback I’ve seen against meaningful decisions essentially boils down to “the community is never going to change, build the game around that”.
I say the community needs a swift kick in the rear back in the right direction. Hopefully Blizzard does not cave on semi-permanent covenants. If they do, I hope it’s in the last patch.
if API wasn’t so open and sites couldn’t gather massive statistics to optimize every single point of progression gear/class optimization wouldn’t be so automated
What… how come you got so many likes for this. When i said the same thing forever ago and got flagged to death 
so much hate.
You got lucky
I’m just shocked people are still under the impression we vet people these days via talent inspection
wait…i’m confused. No matter how many times i read what you are telling me… I’m just lost. lol. How am I lucky I got flagged…and what does this have to do with talents?
Amen brother. Trying to push my IO as a lock when the current meta is “lol locks r bad” has been nothing short of exhausting. Mixing between my keys and pug keys I’m relieved to have broken 2k and got my KSM cheev / mount. Took obviously forever and honestly if it wasn’t for the broken corruption system I don’t think I would have been able to do it lol.
elites require poverty enforcement to maintain elite status