But they were not WoW customers. Anyways, you are taking this waaay off on an unrelated tangent.
My entire point is that it was claimed the jobs and careers would not exist without the WoW customers. All I did is point out that the jobs and careers did exist before there were WoW customers. I’ve said my piece. if we disagree, I am fine with that. I just don’t know how else to say it. And would rather just call it a “agree to disagree” at this point. ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
The person who said that Blizzard paid below industry standard was David Brevik, who was the PRESIDENT of Blizzard North. He created the Diablo franchise. He was not, as you said, some flunky in HR. Not knowing who he is means you know practically nothing about Blizzard and should probably keep your uninformed opinion to yourself.
Didn’t he make that statement like ten years after leaving the company, though?
Ok. First off. Lets back off a second. Because you are clearly combining a few different conversations and not keeping up.
David Brevik hasn’t worked for Blizzard in nearly 15 or 16 years. David Brevik made his statements on a youtube video/podcast thing. Where he looked all but drunk. And continuously said “this is speculation, I don’t know what I am talking about”.
Last. If you followed the conversation I was participating in, the person cited the salary of a “program manager”, and that person’s company review as their source for devs being paid below the industry standard. If you look at Indeed and the applications they have open for Blizzard, “HR manager” is one of the job titles for a “program manager”.
The salary being cited had nothing to do with devs or anyone that worked on the creative/technical side of designing/programming the game.
So maybe before you tell others to keep their uninformed opinion to themselves, you should make sure you are aware of what is going on in the conversation you jump into.
Not to mention the big names have necessary jobs. They need to be replaced with someone else so laying off the top isn’t going to save money. You can most definitely cut back on CS, facilities, QA, Esports, etc without replacing those people to save money however.
The thing is that the WoW jobs DIDN’T exist at all. Some of the same customers who bought WCIII FT also bought WoW when it shipped. Those customers existed before WoW. They were the first WoW customers. It was the NEED for something better than Everquest or Ultima Online that brought those customers to WoW and they were not WoW customers but Blizzard Entertainment Customers. WoW didnt take their money Blizzard Entertainment did. WoW is the product that Blizzard Entertainment produces. And they produce other products both now and before the creation of WoW. The jobs and careers were created by the company to address a need that eventually became WoW. The customers preceded wow. That they did not yet know they were customers of Blizzard Entertainment is only by the by.
Even so, I would trust his opinion more than the random HR person he accused him of being. I’m sure he still talks to his old coworkers and friends.
That’s certainly possible. But the truth of the matter is that the pool of AAA developers and executives is a really small one.
They all know the scoop, and they know what’s going on across the board. If he said it, it’s truth.
And he said in his statement about that, that people are often very willing to do so, to have that entry on their resume. There is 100% truth to that statement. Companies use this type of leverage all of the time.
All you have to do is look at their Glassdoor to confirm what he was saying. This is from the very first comment on their page:
“Pay is low when compared to other software companies.”
Here’s another:
"I worked at Blizzard Entertainment full-time (More than 8 years)
Pros
You get to work with some of the best people in the industry.
Cons
Compensation is extremely low ."
I don’t want to see Blizzard burn.
I want to see the arrogant, out of touch, cut-corners Activision satellite the company has become come back to listening to its customer base and putting more energy into their game again.
So true, I hope it has real implications that we can measure. Although I doubt it.
There are a lot more pressing issues than flying. The game is still completely playable and functional without flying. It may take you a little longer to complete things, but it’s hardly game breaking like some other problems within the game. And if you get that frustrated over it, well, then that’s a you problem.
But I never accused him of being a random HR person…At least try to keep up with the conversation. I accused him of being a drunk that had no clue what he was talking about. As he literally said “I have nothing to back up my speculation”
Looked on glassdoor. Couldn’t find anything similar. Also I am not going to sign up/register.
I trust Indeed over Glassdoor.
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Activision-Blizzard/salaries
I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t want to look. There are 752 employee reviews and many of them mention poor compensation.
…are you not reading?
I said I don’t want to sign up/register on some random website I will never go to again. I then linked you a more credible source of information, but I guess that didn’t matter.
How is it more credible than the self reporting of current and former employees? There’s even a page that shows the salaries for all the departments.
I agree. I can’t stand watching certain people(many of whom aren’t even actively subbed) gloating over the very concept of WoW going down along with the people who worked so hard to give us the game. It sort of makes me ill that some derive joy from the idea of people losing their jobs (which can end in homelessness, loss of one’s pets, ruining marriages etc). I personally cannot wait until non-subs are purged from these forums for good.
That was just an example. I could go on and name many, many more. As for flying you have your opinion and many others have theirs.
There is such things as trust and integrity and Blizzard has lost both. Flying was never an issue until Blizzard made it so.
I hope a fair chunk of the layoffs are from World of Warcraft. Perhaps if the developers were more concerned about losing their job they would start putting out fun, quality, less-buggy expansions and patches for WoW.
Meanwhile, the Nintendo CEO and their board took a pay cut instead of just firing hundreds of people when they tanked.
I have to wonder how some folks would feel if it was some rando on the internet expressing a wish for them to lose their employment and livelihood.