MARKSMAN HUNTERS?!? why are they below tanks and right above frost mages

They should have added runes to support weaving instead of pushing melee hunter.

they should just make steady shot a book from SM, aint no one using that ability

Re-iterating on how to fix hunters.

Stat scaling sucks for hunters above all other classes.

Ranged hunters do not benefit whatsoever with Strength. Hunters need 53 Agi for 1% crit and recieve 2 AP for 1 Agility. Compared to other classes that can benefit from Agility gear, we need twice the amount. Warriors/Pallies only need 20 Agi for 1% crit (hence why you see them rolling on Agi gear to stack crit chance). Rogues only need about 29 Agi for 1% crit. Its pretty evident Hunters suck at scaling because Agi is our sole stat we scale with for ATK power and Agi while every other stat does practically nothing to benefit our damage.

No one will take steady shot to put into a MM Hunter rotation because the damage just sucks and exposed weakness is too good to pass up.

The allocation of runes are so messed up for Hunters because we lose out on so much just having to be a “buff carrier” if we are the sole Hunter. HoTL shouldve be moved over to another Feet Rune and Trap Launcher being a book in of itself so every Hunter class is not gatekept behind using it as a rune. To replace Trap Launcher, we shouldve gotten “Kill Shot” from WotLK. Literally solve our issues of the target being at 10% HP and being stuck in the cast sequence for another Auto Shot only for the target to die. :person_facepalming:

Another big issue is the lackluster Weapon Spd of guns/bows/crossbows. If theyre able to make 2H melee weapons to be 3.4 ATK spd, why cant we get a ranged weapon just so we can hit harder? Its not that difficult. Both Xbow and Gun from last two raids have less than a 3.0 ATK SPD. Its just dev complacency on not understanding Hunter dmg scaling.

Traps need to scale with RAP because as of right now, its tickle damage to both PvE/PvP.

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because they needed to cull the infestation of garbage hunters from the p1 windserpent fiasco and its working.

Actually that’s what I posted to begin with… So I didn’t agree with you. When you responded to me you lacked basic comprehension, which seems to be a problem here. It’s pretty simple if there was a reason to it would be this (TSA) except that it isn’t really a reason. The main point of this entire thread was that they need something and they haven’t been getting it.

Dreamstate rune

It has its advantages. Its instant cast, doesn’t heal target, affects any target regardless of type ect.

We scale better with spell damage. If you don’t believe me check my logs and gear. This is without a moonkin in the raid so 20% less nature damage as well.

Heart of the lion can’t be a rune. No matter which slot it is put on, it will be the only one used. With it blizzard has put themselves in a corner. They cannot buff marksman or melee abilities to be usable with lion, because if they do then the people that switch to lone wolf will do too much damage. So every ability has to be ‘balanced’ with a 30% damage boost in mind. Yet most players cannot take the 30% damage boost because they’re forced to run lion.

It needs to just be a book.

Are you pvping against dragons and mechs? That restriction doesn’t matter.

I’ve been doing the cata beta since last week and i’d rather play a bugged bm hunter on cata (the pet bar randomly goes away and puts your pet on passive) than play a ranged hunter in SoD…

side note surv hunter in cata beta is OH MY GAWD SoD on steroids. Why cant SoD put back day 1 explosive shot (that would be a HUGE upgrade to SoD hunters) but its too late now, ranged hunters are dead in SoD (Season of Dead ranged hunters)

Thank you!

No, it was not.

Maybe you should learn to articulate yourself better if you meant to say something different.

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You also ignored the part about it not having a cast time which is a pretty big deal

You also ignored the activation requirement as it’s not a targeted spell, which is a pretty big deal.

Kinda, but that’s not the point; you said its a worse version of polymorph but it has some significant advantages (and disadvantages) compared to it.

I think MM hunters are on projection to be a pretty strong spec at lvl 60. Were gonna go down the survival tree most likey and get bonus 30% damage to fire trap. That coupled with the rune that boosts fire traps, i think we will be competitive on the meters. Not to mention our best pet windserpent is totally gimped at lvl 40(cause the next lightning breath rank is lvl 41)

It is a worse version of polymorph. You’re just a troll.

Except for all the ways its better

Except for all the ways it’s objectively worse.