Bear tank in my guild is geared in a mix of blues and some epics and can generate some serious threat…with a crowd pummler.
If you aren’t using pummlers you may as well just bring 5 full deep prot warriors in full mitigation gear and have your mages wand all night.
Dude we’re fine without MCP. I have no idea what you’re talkin…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o01-RsNMxE&feature=youtu.be
Nothing worse than a string of misses and the dps just going ham
DPS didn’t even wait.
A good fury warrior or Feral with MCP doesn’t need to make their dps wait 10 seconds.
As long as there isn’t a string of misses, you can also add a sapper to the intro for more burst threat.
Or Regrowth, or pull with Starfire or Moonfire
To be fair, clearing naxx with paladins is significantly easier than clearing it on horde.
In today’s Classic or in Vanilla 15 years ago?
Yes.
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Today’s adherence to the meta is not at all like it was 15 years ago.
I don’t disagree, but there’s usually exactly 1 gcd (while warriors each put up a sunder) and after this it’s DEATHWISH BLOODTHIRST HEROIC STRIKE LOLOLOL from the warriors, crit shadowbolts, and the mages doing their best to get a ridiculous ignite rolling. Missing that first maul seriously sucks lol. Regrowth won’t even factor into it at that point.
I’m happy to be a filthy OT and not have to really worry about that too much.
I 100% agree with this. Kings and salv are huge.
So, while I would agree if the furyprot has a TF I would disagree if they don’t. It’s easier for druids to keep a threat lead once they have one and it’s also easier to catch up due to the way our talents interact with rage/crit/threat. I will say that popping an MCP causes your threat to go crazy and it kind of feels like popping death wish on a warrior.
All that said, is there a reason whoever the MT is should have to worry about fighting another tank for threat? That comment almost reminds me of the commercial with the old lady post to her “facebook” on her living room wall. “That’s not how any of this works…”
It’s only easier to keep a threat lead if their TPS is higher than Fury/Prot, and without MCP, their TPS objectively isn’t higher than Fury/Prot.
Even with an MCP, Feral Druid is only marginally better than Fury/Prot for threat generation while being a substantial DPS loss (even when considering LotP). The only meaningful benefit of Feral over Fury/Prot is lower DTPS when wearing full threat/DPS gear, making them good for situations where you need both mitigation and threat.
There’s no situation I’m aware of where you’re trying to get aggro; you’re simply trying to keep up with the MT so you’re 2nd threat (or 3rd/4th if you’re on Patchwerk).
I was just replying to a statement someone else made about Feral not needing MCP. If you are not using an MCP, even a 50-60th percentile DPS will pull aggro off you, let alone people doing 90th+ percentile levels of DPS.
An MCP is necessary to generate the TPS to be competitive with Fury/Prot tanks. Otherwise, you are substantially weaker in every important metric.
Ironchain is right as sad as it is, especially in the age of naxx geared warriors. TF isn’t even all that when you’re dealing with a tank with KT weapons honestly.
We’re a meme, but we’re not such a meme that we’re not brought along. However, if you’re competing for a raid spot in a try hard guild you better at the very least be using MCP on bosses if you’re trying to parse or keep up with threat. This is even more important for a bear than it is for cats I’d say. BQWH and even Atiesh are for trash mobs so you can perform decently without having to farm even more gnomer.
If I wanted to really pump I’d roll a warrior. But I love my druid, and I also know his day is coming in TBC. All is well.
Edit: haven’t personally MT’ed thadius but I’ve heard ferals are much better for that particular fight given how our threat scales. Once again, haven’t tried it myself but it does make sense given the multiplicative nature of our threat.
I agree. A very cogent post.
That also carries into Sunwell in TBC.
You want your Warrior to tank, but sometimes you will have you Bear tank, even though the raid is incurring a DPS loss by doing so.
A lack of crushes in Sunwell highly escalates a Bear’s capability.
A Paladin tank can always gear swap to FoL patch a tank for some tank on tank lovin’.
Warriors sadly put out very little DPS…they simply become debuff bots if they can’t tank, putting out what little DPS they can muster 
Well I guess my experience tanking differs then because I don’t need an MCP unless my goal is to fight the MT with TF for threat.
Untrue.
https ://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HTBwqx3pd4K2Pz1y/#type=damage-done&fight=26
Easily held threat without an MCP against 98th percentile DPS.
Threat meter at the end of the fight.
https ://imgur.com/a/tRwPb89
Easily held threat by having them wait 10 seconds, not being the one to cause Ignite, and killing adds.
Grats, I guess?
See how you gotta be shamed when you function outside the meta? There’s some people just can’t stand it when you play the game how you want.