youre gonna have to explain this in simpler terms. that or what you wrote it literally impossible to understand.
literally ok
really? lol. “just because people want something to be changed doesnt mean blizz will actually change it” thats purely opinion. if you want to say thats your opinion, thats fine. but what you just said holds no meaning to the actual discussion taking place, except for 1 person’s opinion about how the public’s opinion as a whole affects how changes are made to classic wow.
Hmm… the formulae are fairly similar, but rage generation is far too complex to post in here.
The threat multiplier is 0.56x in Berserker Stance with Blessing of Salvation, but they also have Whirlwind and more damage output.
Even at ~2k DPS, a Feral shouldn’t have any problem holding aggro against a Fury Warrior with Salvation. They could arguably have issues without an MCP or Salvation, and definitely would have issues without either.
You’re “wrong” in the sense that having a discussion about changing the game means “it leaves the door open to all of these discussions to be had”. They are not linked. These Forums very existence is the “open door”. Not us just talking about it. Although, these Forums aren’t even required for the discussion to begin, anyway. All it requires is for somebody to have the thought and just spew it out loud.
Talking about making changes to the game is not required for anybody to think of “dumb” ideas/changes to the game. Just because somebody suggests something, doesn’t mean others will chime in with “dumb” ideas. “Dumb” ideas pop in and out, on their own without being warranted. Like I said before, all it requires is somebody to think of it and start spewing it out. They don’t need somebody to start the conversation, for them. It’s not a requirement needed, for one to spew out their nonsense.
It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Just because an idea or suggestion gets put out there, doesn’t mean it HAS to be implemented. It’s not required. You seem to think that because an idea and/or suggestion gets put out there, that somehow means Blizz is now required to follow through with that. That’s just wrong and not logical.
This is why conversations are important and to be had. That way if there’s a significant amount in agreement with said idea/suggestion is when the process of taking it into consideration begins. And, just because we (by “we”, I mean those who do scream it and not EVERYONE) scream “no changes” doesn’t mean Blizz will listen to that, either. It’s the same thing with those proposing changes. We can scream what we do and do not want, all day, and Blizz will do what they want to do (without any regards to us).
Just because we scream it, doesn’t mean what we’re screaming about will be seen in the Game. That’s not how any of this works.
Yeah no clue how that’ll all shake out, but MCP will still be great even as a Haste Rating at lvl60, and with Swipe hitting much harder along with Mangle and Maul, I don’t think Druids will be left in the dust in the slightest. I think Idol of Brutality also gets nerfed too but it goes from Rage reduction to Swipe/Maul bonus damage which is… well… still fantastic.
I hope so, but if we get prepatch then maul’s threat will switch from percentage bonus threat to a flat threat bonus.
I think this is balanced around the higher FAP values on outland gear + having lacerate (which we won’t get yet). Swipe doesn’t catch up to lacerate threat until higher FAP levels that I don’t think we have available in classic. Of course mangle will help and we finally get a real instant attack, and our other instant, swipe, will scale with AP.
Overall, my guess is that we’ll lose some threat and gain a good amount of survivability. It’s not all doom and gloom, I just think we’ll lose some of our threat. I’d rather just be the improved faerie fire bot until TBC is here or just go cat. I think being the mangle cat wouldn’t be a bad gig.
It gives exactly the same haste at level 60 that it does now.
The huge thing is that for a level 28, it’s 130% haste.
Yeah, all changes considered, the pre-patch is a huge buff to Feral.
It will make initial threat a non-issue, but with a 2m cooldown only affecting the next 3 abilities, it won’t exactly be a huge part of your overall threat generation.
You didn’t use the word “require”, per se. But, you did want to link the two mutually exclusive subject matters, together as if they were.
I was explaining my point. But, if you find it ridiculous, that’s OK, too. You don’t have to respond, if you don’t want to.
That’s fine that you think that, but it doesn’t “back up” whatever point, you’re trying to make. Insults are not arguments. Next, you’re probably going to say “it’s not an insult if it’s true”, but that doesn’t really matter because you’re focusing the subject matter away from what we’re talking about to focus on me, as a character, rather than the point you’re trying to make. Which is still not an argument.
I’m not saying that it never does, but I’m not going to make a false claim that purely having the discussion is the cause for “dumb” ideas/suggestions to occur.
EDIT: They occur regardless of what type of conversations we’re having.
idk why you keep conflating what im saying. its to the point where i have no idea what i originally even replied to this thread for. oh wait yes i do. something about bear tanks.
It doesn’t “begin” with one person asking for changes. If somebody wants to see something changed, they’re going to ask for it. They don’t need nor require somebody else to ask for changes, in order to ask for their’s. That’s not what causes people to flood their thoughts, ideas and suggestions into the mix.
I’m responding in accordance to what you’re saying. If you misspoke, then you misspoke. The causation of individuals spewing their thoughts into conversations begins with the individual that holds those thoughts (regardless if you find it to be “dumb” or not, is irrelevant).
Right. See, how my own thoughts began with me, and what I wanted to talk about? And not about Bear Tanks, but something you said that I couldn’t just bite my tongue on and began spewing out, what I wanted to say (to you, directly). Despite it being absolutely irrelevant to the original topic, at hand, I just proved, that (regardless), if people want to say what they want to say are going to say it, regardless of what we’re talking about.
I admit, what I want to discuss goes against the original topic, at hand, but it still doesn’t prove me wrong, in my claim that people are going to spew, what they want to spew. The original comment, that I responded to, didn’t really talk about Bear Tanks, but the logical fallacy behind your statement about changes rather than about Bear Tanks.
asmongold coined the term no changes when he was asked about his thoughts on wow classic. he was basically like “what do i think about wow classic?” … “no changes” and started talking about why you cant change any part of the game. when it comes to blizzard, wow, these kinds of things… you never really know whos pressing the button. you never know which dingbat larry is the one behind the scenes making this all happen. because of that, taking away the option for any changes preserves at least the playability of the original game, and for many of us thats good enough, and worth not “upgrading” or “downgrading” the game, whatever perspective anyone sees it from.
If I remember right the haste nerf in TBC was Patch 2.2. The result was 15.77 rating = 1% haste.
MCP, at level 70, is 500 haste rating which = 31.71% haste.
FAP in TBC has significantly higher values, but additionally weapons are a massive source of necessary AC for Bears…ie Wildfury or EarthWarden as examples.
As to the rest…
No Bear needs to clear Naxx to understand their own threat generation. AQ 40 content is enough to put DPS and TPS calculations into context concerning endgame gear.
Using a Naxx clear as a gatekeeper impediment to limit any cogent discussion is purely pathetic.
Mechanics regarding threat and talent synergy were calculated, in Vanilla I might add, long before Naxx ever launched.
I haven’t raided on a Bear in current phase 6 content since Vanilla. I still understand my threat formulas and mechanics…which have remained unchanged in that time.
If you have a factual argument then make it…ie use values, formulas, and current log values…it’s not difficult.
However using bragging rights, in a 15 year old game with unaltered Bear mechanics, to try and shut down another players points…without actually addressing those points…is just sad.
Are you following who has claimed what in this thread? The so-called “gatekeeping” is in response to an appeal to authority (his own), to which we reply that we doubt it because the formulae make the claim implausible and the logs make it absurd.
If the argument we were replying to was based on numbers, his experience or lack thereof would not have been brought up.
