You’ve blown my mind. Nothing will ever be the same.
If you wanted to avoid harassment, lying on the forums about experience you don’t have while making grand assumptions that don’t comport with reality was probably a bad choice.
You try this whole “less serious than thou” haughtiness only to link us a terrible video of someone in complete world buffs doing Nef MTing, a feat that everyone else here has done without wbuffs during Phase 3.
/giggle
PS - There’s a reason Cat Druids on Nef aren’t really all that hard to heal up compared to Warriors forced into the Nef specific Berserker Stance, but since you’re phobic about min/max I’ll let you have your celebration.
no need. anyone with a bear tank in their guild knows bears have a ton of threat generation. as well as they hit the armor cap, and have enormous health pools.
Before I left for Navy stuff I loved tanking on my bear. My guild went down to one raid team so this guy got benched because we had another feral on the other already. A super Naxx/AQ geared feral world buffed with super hi Critting mauls is gonna make a ton of threat. Enough to not get caught by the dps. MCP just helps get those mauls off faster. If the bear isn’t main tanking tho it really doesnt matter. I’m looking forward to playing bear and my bm hunter Trottingwolf in BC maybe a shaman too.
Fury prots in naxx gear…yeah, I can keep up with MCP lol. If they use reck, it’s all over for me.
Bears are no longer the threat kings we were back in earlier tiers, but we keep up and still do better threat when going full on potato mode. We’re perfect for a fight like patchwerk.
But being real about it…we also have a lot of shortcomings at the moment. Our threat on the pull can really suck badly due to RNG and we don’t have defensive cooldowns anywhere near as good as shield wall, last stand, and LGG.
Also be prepared for the prepatch if you’re a feral tank. If we get TBC prepatch I think our threat generation is going to go down (even with the addition of mangle) until we’re in outlands and can level up and get new gear. I’m personally just going to go boomie until TBC if we get a prepatch.
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Swipe will scale with AP, which we get gobs of in Naxx/AQ40 gear, and Fury gets its rage generation neutered.
Lol classic raid content is so easy you’d have to be phenomenally bad even as a meme spec to truly be carried
You’re not very bright, are you?
As was already pointed out, you should probably fully clear all the content before commenting on its difficulty in a manner that is so matter of fact.
I actually tend to agree that Classic is easy, which is why it blows my mind people still can’t clear the content.
But is it more than Fury/Prot? I don’t think anyone is questioning that they can do lots of threat.
This is such a silly take.
The only way you’re going to avoid getting caught by DPS on threat is if your threat are throttling or they are terrible. MCP is absolutely essential for Bear to deal competitive threat.
Even in the most generous scenarios, they’re doing equal threat to a Fury/Prot while using an MCP with 100% uptime and full BiS (including KotS and DFT).
It’s because Maul is so essential to your TPS as a Bear that MCP is so powerful. You keep saying “oh, Maul crits, the Maul crits are so big” as if that detracts from the argument that doing 50% more of them is insanely important. Why not have huge Maul crits and 50% haste?
This is true, at least, but at that point you don’t need big Maul crits, either. You generate such a massive threat lead while tanking a secondary target that you’ll never lose aggro even wearing full mitigation gear.
Your threat generation matters far less on Patchwerk because the majority of it is coming from Hateful Strike.
I do agree that they’re very good for that fight, though.
To be fair, when the pre-patch comes out, all the tanks will swap to Deep Prot for Devastate and the insanely rage efficient threat generation.
im not familiar enough with bear form and warrior metas to answer that question. i doubt either is significantly better at generating threat than the other, and both most certainly rely on many variables to efficiently achieve any goal they set out to accomplish
I think in optimal gear, they’re close, leaning in favor of Fury/Prot.
At least on all (most?) the fights logged in Naxx so far, the best Fury/Prot Warriors are generating more threat than the best Feral Druids. The real difference is in actual damage dealt, which very clearly favors Fury/Prot.
Sorry, that’s a logical fallacy. Just because changes are made doesn’t mean we should keep making more changes, to the game. Don’t worry, pro-changers like to use the same excuse, too despite it being flawed.
However, your suggestion isn’t a bad suggestion. I’m just of the opinion that it wouldn’t be Classic, anymore. I’m not going to scream “no changes”, though.
the action of changing wow classic in any way serves to validate the efforts of people campaigning for changes to wow classic. the amount of validation is directly proportional to the similarity of their idea to what was changed, and the overall significance of what was changed.
I’m happy to discuss the pros and cons of every change, on their own individual merits. And, I’m happy to call out anyone who’s being dishonest (and, I have), when it comes to their approach on wanting to make changes to the game.
Anyone got links to actual spreadsheets with proper threat generation forumlas for both fury warrior and bear tank? I don’t feel like an alliance fury warrior should be catching a bear tank even without MCP unless they are parsing 99s.
it would be best that no further changes be made unless those changes are to become closer in effect to how the game was in 2006, on a factual basis and not on a feeling basis
I share your same sentiment, however I won’t shoot down any idea looking to make some changes and discussing the pros and cons of them. What I mean by “shoot down” is screaming “no changes”. You can logically shoot down most changes proposed.
I’ve always been in favor in changing the third party program that replicated abilities with one key stroke. That change finally happened. It’s not a Classic change, but a WoW change, in general.
the problem with even leaving the door open in the slightest is that all the dumb ideas get in too. trust me, if i could change something, id change it so that a party member that sees a monster as grey will negate any experience for the party if he attacks that monster. but then if they did that, then you would have dingbat larry asking for transmog mount armor with lfr guild bank in game calendars. like no. its a small sacrifice to make to just say no to every change when it comes to this game. keep that door closed and never open it.
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These Forums have always been an open door for discussion. For the most part, have been a plea for Blizz to change something about the game. Even before Classic came out, some (not all) players were screaming for alterations to the game. That’s kind of the point of these Forums is to discuss these things.
The problem with your thought process there is that whether that change existed or not is irrelevant because it is not required for any “dingbat” (to use your words) to suggest those things.
For me, it’s not as much fun, when I don’t have the opportunity to let the suggesters realize how silly their suggestions really are. IK, I never claimed I was a NICE person. Logically breaking it down is worth it.
EDIT: To be clear just because changes are proposed doesn’t mean they’re going to be implemented. If that were the case, Classic would be a word that I cannot say here, on these Forums LOL
([Maul Damage] * 1.495 * 1.75) / [Attack Speed]
+ ([Swipe Damage] * 1.495 * 1.75) / 1.5 * 0.75
+ 108 * 1.495 / 6
(([Heroic Strike Damage] + 175) * 1.495) / [MH Speed]
+ ([Bloodthirst Damage] * 1.495) / 6
+ (([Revenge Damage] + 355) * 1.495) / 6 * (1-(([Dodge Chance] + [Parry Chance]) ^ (6 / [Boss Attack Speed])))
+ ([OH AA Damage] * 1.495) / [OH speed]
Sorry, I should have specified. I meant fury dps warrior with salv, not furyprot.
There is no doubt in my mind that furyprot will do more tps than a bear especially without MCP. My concern is whether a bear without MCP can reliably outthreat a warrior with salv and without WCB.