Those arent even remotely close to “leaver” threads. Those are just peopel complaining about the state of high end keys, namely participation.
They aren’t all leaver threads, but you specifically said there’s no one “complaining about +20s”
No, unlike you, I actually said there is a difference in keys. Something you cant possibly come to realize and acknowledge.
But reading skills are rough.
You avoided the question, as expected from someone with no facts behind them.
Keep whining though, pop off.
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Do you think we just started the season at +20? How do you think we got there?
You realize we had to go through +10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20 just like everyone else right? We have been through the 10-15 range.
Now, your just being dishonest. You know exactly what I meant.
I’ve never seen a single jerk in my 14 years of warcraft, and I have to say I think the OP is projecting and…
You went through that range, when your level of peers went through that range.
People doing 10-15s nowadays, are just filling vaults, getting gear.
Matter of fact, thats probably true for the majority of hte playerbase anyways, which is why its funny that the 1% thinks everyone does it for IO and to time keys.
No, you are assuming everyone continued progressing at the same rate. You realize people hit walls right? I mean look at Thelion who was so ego driven. Was faster to KSM, but he stopped there.
Some people who were in 10-15 when I was doing 10-15 are still doing 10-15. Some are doing 20+.
It’s not just the 1%, clearly. The default expectation is to time, unless discussed ahead of time. If it was only the 1% who thought this then people wouldn’t be leaving would they?
The guy’s average key level is a 13. Don’t know why we’re even humoring this barely veiled whining.
Zero credibility, but I’m supposed to care what they think.
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Well, if only one person out of 5 leaves, and its not every “bad” key, then thats a very low % of people adhering to that idea, isnt it?
Tell me, do you think the general playerbase cares more about the gear, or timing the key.
Then list your key for completion, not Standard or Beat Timer.
Neither. They care more about having fun and not slogging through a key for an hour when it should only take 25 minutes. They want to kill things, not be the one that gets killed constantly because of someone else in the group who can’t carry their own weight.
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Thats a cop out and you know it.
People do things mostly that award gear. This is why Torghast failed, Islands failed, anything that isnt gear driven, fails.
Who gave you the power to decide which two options are “valid”?
Torghast failed because it was mandatory and a chore. It was a slog that everyone was forced to do to get legendaries.
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I mean it was also pretty much not fun to do.
It was so boring. I would get sleepy every time I was in there.
It had the potential before it was nerfed into the ground to appease the forum whiners.
Because most non-gear systems fail.
Having no rewards generally does that for people. You put a piece of raid gear at the end of it, people would have more fun doing it.
If M+ only gave rating, and nothing else, do you think it would be as popular as it is? We both know thats a NO.
Even then, it felt more punishing than fun. The mechanics were bland. The powers too rare to get a good build going, the levels way too vast to walk through.
Dude, we do M+ for IO.
We don’t care about rewards as long as it’s fun.
Torghast wasn’t fun.