Heirlooms make it almost bearable to pvp at lower levels. Almost…
Then most of us remember why we don’t participate in that – low level pvp – regularly.
I don’t even have to type it, you all know the reason.
Dungeon gear is even more OP for PvP
Disagree here too. It makes gearing up more fun not having to go 10+ levels without an upgrade.
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Heirlooms are not even good in pvp, you can’t even put enchants on them outside of the bad low lvl ones.
all the twinks are using real items with expensive enchants like mongoose etc that you can’t put on heirlooms.
Heirloom weapons have worse stats than most twink blue gear…you only use the shoulders/chest for the additional xp gain.
who even pvp’s while leveling. i always have my toon in que but below 71 it just never seems to pop for me.
plus why punish the players who have put the time and effort to get the heirlooms cause you have not yet. doing more things in the game is meant to give you an advantage… you know to motivate people to do the same in turn making them play more… why would you bother even getting gear if joining in on pvp means that gear means nothing makes 0 sense.
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level 39 bracket is pretty active, i have couple twink pvp chars from 2019 classic vanilla, but i don’t use heirlooms, because heirlooms are not very good outside of leveling, for additional xp gain.
I don’t see many in heirlooms when i do low lvl pvp
1h 20mins and counting (level 50) no sign of life
Listen to OP. Please make heirlooms ineffective in pvp.
It will make killing the 60-69 toons in AV even easier for my rogue 
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Low level BGs is the new RDF so they are working as intended
They nerfed the hell out of twinking and now “all gear and chants” are player level restricted now vs item lvl. That said the bar has been lowered and twinking essentially doesnt exist anymore as there is no way to gear above players level now and essentially everyone has equal opportunity and access to standardized gear. Heirlooms are bought with base value emblems so even they are easier to get this time around.
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Depends on what you mean. If you mean it as a general statement, that’s incorrect. Twink BiS tends to come from dungeons as far as I’m aware, but that doesn’t mean that dungeon gear is generally better than heirloom gear.
Tylaw is technically incorrect to call heirlooms “Twink gear”, as the word unofficially means to be decked out in BiS for your level, but he’s not wrong in the looser sense of the word if his point is that heirlooms are just really strong and bring those equipment slots close enough to twink level to pose an issue in low-level PvP.
I’m talking about this in the sense that Blizzard had intended gearing to work. The game was intentionally designed for gear to mostly suck, but for there to be a slow drip of really powerful pieces that give players a sense of accomplishment and progression.
I’m not trying to speak for you by saying that everyone likes gear progression – I know many don’t.
Yea I don’t remember being able to turn off xp in bgs back in wotlk…
WHEN you compare best in slot blue/purple item to a heirloom yes I understand, perhaps that item is a bit better. But it’s also usually hard to get and costs like 1000 gold in the auction house.
I guess the issue I ultimately have is that leveling takes a long time for the average player and taking a break from dungeons and grinding to do some pvp helps the enjoyment of the game.
I guess when I pvp’d back in the day the twinks were less frequent and I should just accept that fact you maybe play 2 out of 3 games without twinks running around one shotting people. Now it’s every game.
I know lowbie bgs are practically non-existent in retail and classic probably has premades late at night. Wotlk is the only lowbie pvp that still rocks.
Neither of you would even be able to agree on exactly what is and is not a ‘twink’.
Here’s a resource to help you out:
https://www.wowclassicbis.com/twink/rogue/19
You can choose classes and brackets, then you can count the number of items that are BOE greens, BOE blues, and BOP blues on the recommended/tiered lists. Outside of very rare and very exclusive items (such as a Pendulum of Doom or Staff of Jordan), everything is accessible by all players if they have the desire to obtain the gear.
“B-B-B-B-BUT MUH FRIENDS DONT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THESE ITEMS OR THE GOLDS TO OBTAIN THEM”
Once again, we have a personal problem masquerading as a gameplay problem.
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Yeah, experience elimination was a thing in Wrath, though it was added in 3.2, which was fairly mid-late into the expansion.
Yeah, that’s kind of the crux of the issue. People “lite-twinking” their characters with heirloom gear is far more common than actual BiS-wearing twinks, but the power difference between them is often pretty negligible.
And the reason it’s more common is because it’s simply more accessible. If you’ve got a max-level character and you’re playing the game more or less “normally”, you’ll have access to more than enough badges for the investment in heirlooms to be worth it. Compared with “actual” twink gear which requires a lot more effort, gold, and straying away from typical gameplay.
I actually made a thread about this but I gave up when I realized they merged experience-eliminated players back into regular queues. At this point, heirloom gear is the only thing that will close the gap between regular players and twinks.
Well yeah, back in 3.2+, they only put people with experience turned off in battlegrounds with other people who had theirs turned off too. So you still saw some twinks every now and again in a regular queue, but it was quite seldom. That effectively killed twinking.
Now that the WoW team has reverted that, it’s created this cascading effect where regular battlegrounds are so crazy that “regular” players queue for them even less, so rather than just being all twinks, it’s mostly twinks and a small handful of very unfortunate players who get stomped.
There isn’t an official definition of the word, but Wowpedia defines it as:
By this specific definition, he’d be incorrect calling heirlooms twink gear, but many people view twinking as any level of min/maxing that has a significant tangible effect on one’s power in PvP.
I don’t think anyone is saying that.
Anyway, that doesn’t really matter. Stopping your character’s progression at non-level cap and scavenger hunting for an extremely specific list of gear just so you can mow people down in PvP is non-standard gameplay, which is why there’s a specific word for it (twinking).
I don’t even really understand what point you’re trying to make either – The discussion was about heirloom gear last I checked. O.o
By that definition twinks dont exist and heirlooms are no where near most powerful gear at level equivalence.
Um… What? What you say makes no sense.
You can no longer gear above your level, so your either at level or undergeared at this point.
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Heirlooms are very powerful once you get to level 50+, but there’s only a few slots for them (the trinkets don’t really matter), and they’re not difficult to obtain either. They don’t make or break twinks either.
The real drama is gonna be cata greens in the 75-79 bracket (if we get cata classic).
but they aren’t.
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But they are, especially for casters, given that weapons with spellpower on them are very hard to come by before 60, and they just keep getting better the further you level up. They beat out any dungeon blue at that level, and then by level 68 they’re equal to level 70 raid gear.
But that doesn’t mean they should be nerfed in pvp. At that level you can just buy pvp gear anyway.
Level 49 Arms Warriors are lolOP now.
Heirloom Arcanite Reaper is much easier to obtain than a Kang.