No1 that isnt an rmp player will willingly play with a fire mage unless they are best friends or the fire mage is a multi r1
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anybody with a disorient can play with a fire mage just fine
tierlists are made around nolife pro players, for the average peasant like us it rly doesnât matter cuz we are not gonna play optimally anyway, but tons of comps can use fireâs burst to land kills
this is a test
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Perhaps but most people will not want to every play with a fire mage outside of rmp since it does no consistent damage and requires team coordination to land kills
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This. Iâd say a good portion of players would rather play ret/war, tsg, aff/ele or other cruise control comps then actually get in voice, do setups and coordinate.
âOh man I really wanna voice chat with randoms and play with mages and do setups and be a really well played teamâ said no one ever.
I think Iâm one of more fortunate mages that I have a surplus of people wanting to play with me and not minding too. I just donât have any desire to que anything outside of RMP on a fire mage if I was willingly to play it. I think non RMP comps are ok when mage is super busted but when its something like this season I would not have any desire to play with a warr or feral and get 3v1 zergâd by enemy team and try to pull wins from that position.
Anyone who plays/played a mage can relate to that experience, winnable but every game without a rogue is 3v1 zerg on you the entire time usually. Mage just needs a rework anyway. I donât think anyone actually enjoys playing the class, or playing WITH it if they arent super busted. Like nahhh hard pass
edit: dont get me wrong i think non rmp mage comps can be fun. I just think people are quick to get frustrated on how they play and are quick to think to themselves âiâd rather go play Xâ instead for more fun/ease of play and less frustration
Iâve never seen a fire mage want to play anything besides RMP aside from Larry.
Ele/Fire is more than fine but youâd be hard pressed to find a mage thinking theyâre playable without a rogue
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I know many mages from duros and lower XP friends that have a tough time finding ques on mages. Itâs more of an achievement thing.
If your a 2100 and below mage with no glad achievements people are less likely to play with you or want to try. You can run fire + anything up to a certain rating but if your a fury warrior looking to climb are you playing with the 1900 mage pushing his first 2100? or the ret or dk?
Same applies to any fire comp, you can run fire/ele and win sure but affy/ele would feel tremendously better for the ele and healer and after a few losses they might be whispering to find an affy for much much easier games.
Its like butler said
Mage comps arenât exactly fun to play unless mage is gigabusted
This is literally everyone
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While Iâm not going to disagree/agree with this. Iâll only point out while that may be so from that POV. Youâll have an much easier time and much higher consistent win rate no voicing a simple comp like aff/ele or ret/war or tsg or any of the real meta comps that do well without voice
Then trying to voice or no voice a mage comp outside rmp with relative inexperience regarding it. Its def an uphill battle every game that not everyone is eager to play. I was expanding on butlers earlier comment.
Sure you can win as any combination of mage/x/x outside rmp buts its certainly not meta and going to be a tough game every game voice or not which most people are generally aware of and not eager to sign up for unless good friends with said mage or mage is multi glad or multi r1.
Mage is a bad class to find people to play with when its not busted due to lack of consistent damage and CC requirements. WoW LFG/meta caters to the path of least resistance not how much finesse you can display rockin some godcomp or ele/fire.
Iâm optimistic solo shuffle will force blizzards hand to shift power ratios around on classes some if it ends up being as popular/preferred as expected.
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idk man I just canât empathize with this tragic tone youâre putting down for fire.
Community outlook, especially influenced by streamers alongside tuning is what gets picked in LFG and when you have access to the best comp in the game ppl will take the path of least resistance and wonât experiment.
Maybe you forget the monster Fire was for most of SL (AND Bfa), i doubt those were all longtime fire mains making it work, trudding thru mud in LFG
Most of what youâre saying applies to everyone
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It doesnât though and generally never has for mages. Rep data backs this up. Mage is the only class in game that has no individual capability to run someone down unless its gigabusted. Mage rep is through the roof when you have things like combust globaling someone and pre-nerf deathborne damage relative to healthpools that season.
All 3 specs at normal power levels have an emphasis and requirement of CC and coordination to secure wins and lacks any ability to just open win conditions through consistent damage and forcing bad trades because of it.
You canât in any scenario compare it to a spec like ele that can take hex/shear off their powers and win just off rng globaling someone without ever casting a CC or kick at healer or their partners
Fury same boat lol can take fear off bars and spec double time over stormbolt and just beat someone to ground. Affy? Can win a game without ever pressing fear. I mean feel free to to feel differently about it to each their own.
Neither of these are just broken in current season things and often a consistent quality to those specs and often those classes which was my entire point. Its an abnormal quality if mages are able to just consistently win games without coordination or CC established which is why they are often unpopular when they arent overperforming.
If you have a negative bias regarding the class based off past experiences then thats fine Iâm not here to change it.
There is no possible way to spec fire, arcane or frost hop in solo shuffle or LFG and carry matches/games with no communication/strong coordination unless the chosen spec is extremely overtuned or your massively skill gapping your opponents. This is a unique quality specific to mages as they have no individual power/carry potential
No other class has that.
- No access to a 3 second or longer stun
- No consistent damage
- Purgeable offense damage
are the 3 traits that make the class incapable of individually carrying a game or dictating a game. Anything a mage wants to do has a preparatory command of âHey I need you to do thisâ. It lacks any capability of a normal DPS spec to see a mistake and punish it.
Example? You can poorly trade a trinket or defensive vs majority of DPS specs and they can stun and kill you solo without the aid or assistance of partners to do it. That is a defining capability that mage lacks. Partners helping are just a plus if you are say a WW going to sweep/double sweep a bad trinket and 100-0 them with all cds.
Mage as a class has no capacity in any form or meta outside even with hideous levels of damage to lock you down, pop cds and outright kill you for a mistake. I hope this long winded though concise explanation cleared things up for you.
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Yes undispellable combust is the answer to all of the problems in SL PvP.
Rollback those planned gearing changes and the talent trees!
All we need to do is adjust one mage spell!
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Pretty tired and contrived, Iâm not interested in discussing which spec has more acne or whatever.
Like why do I care what LFG wants? The typical player in LFG?
The guy, who just got resolve in their conquest box on a fresh Destro lock? That guy?
Isnât that the guy who says outlaw is bad, blazing soul is bad, casting circle is bad etc because they were in twitch chat that one time?
If randos canât recognize adjust right and take a win where enemy healer sits the longest spammable cc in the game thats on them.
You canât gaslight me into thinking ele is this LFG carry that has nothing but flame shock and lava burst on its action bars and it just rolls teams.
What you want lasso instead of polymorph?
IF you want me to concede that mage requires more coordination than other specs, than absolutely I agree and for good reason.
BUT
You will never convince me that good Mage players will be hard stuck rivals because they donât have the tools to win without stephen hawking on their left and Einstein on their right.
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Yeah, gonna have to agree here. Not having a Glad achievement limits all roles/classes in dead seasons. Donât know if Mage is anymore affected than anyone else. A Mage having to play something other than RMP is no different than me having to settle for Affy/MM/Priest or whatever other stupid comps Iâve been stuck with pugging the last few seasons. lol
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Use to be a big dot that you could spread to others with fire blast. Theyâve messed with combustion almost every xpac iâve played. The guy has a point. It is obnoxious. They really screwed mages on that one. Donât really care what anyone says. Having to do so much prep work just to use your major offensive ability is a joke when everyone else has instants that they can just yolo around while you need 17 stuns and cross ccâd targets before you use itâŠItâs just dumb. I agree too, fire should be more of a dot spec than a big burst/ semi-useless off combust spec.
Dude RMP was everywhere in Shadowlands, not to mention even in 2s.
I donât care how hard it is to play, most normal people donât wanna deal with that bs of the comp, has highest survivability, while oneshotting, even if u fail goes as rogue/mage u were never, rarely punished. Iâm glad it got nerfed.
And even if it is ââharderââ to find ppl to play it with, Im sure I was running into rmp every single game above 1900 in season 1 and 2.
Or just rework the spec entirely
Fire should be a spec that spread fire damage through ignite and living bomb with combustion greatly enhancing that. As it stand the spec is currently lackluster.
You deal negative damage outside of combustion and if it so happens you or your partner mess up a cross cc the only time you deal damage is negated by 1 spell
So its back to running around doing nothing spamming polymorphs and hitting 4k Fireballs on 120k+ HP players
Very fun
I mean that was my entire point you tried to avoid confronting lol. Mage outside RMP when its not overtuned is dogwater and there is better comps to play. See not so hard?
I donât think Iâm saying things like give stuns pls, make bust undispel plz hallpp. Simply stated the obvious
No consistent damage
No access to 3 second stun or greater
Unable to get cds/defensives without committing CC + CDs themselves
purgeable defensives/offensives
I donât think I ever in my monologue said anything is wrong it parsay just why mages in general arenât popular when they arenât OP and mage comps arent picked up often outside rmp.
I swear forum players are so antagonistic and have been farmed to the grave by RMPS that just seeing blue forum avatars and hearing mage sends you into frothing shellshocked tantrums
BFA/SL hard on the crowd
Yea ele certainly isnât and has never historically 100-0âd someone or multiple before in a single global or anything weirdd
anyway im out pce
No one ever said that but it requires more effort at low/mid tier where coordination is often lacking. Are you contesting that point? Is any mage comp easier/more steam roll then your average ret/warr, affy/ele?
You know the obvious answer give this topic a rest im not even sure what your trying to argue lol later
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