Most of them are, yes. With near instant queues for premades, alliance rankers can just queue for the one BG that gives the best HPH without queuing anything else. Horde rankers tend to weave AV queues into their honor farming because the queues are long enough that it’s worth it to do so.
Both sides have afks and sub-60s, the Horde just tends to have more geared/higher ranked 60s, and that makes a big difference.
I can’t post screenshots, because apparently I’m not cool enough but I have a screenshot of me asking at the start of AV “Are we going to try to win or just screw around” and the response I got was “screw around fa sho” hahah that’s the attitude that needs to change if alliance is going to win AV
That probably requires more than some surface tweeks they have done since then. Switching in a whole BG just sounds like more work than blizz is willing to do beyond content roll out. Imo that is the only reason they could have for not changing it out after this long.
I don’t think they’re going to change the cave location if they do make a change, but there’s 2 other changes that can simulate a cave change.
Making it so that the caves are not used for rezzing unless all controlled GYs are gone (i.e. horde would rezz at FW GY if alliance takes IB GY.)
Making the horde gate open 2 seconds after the alliance gate opens.
If they make those 2 changes together, it has the same effect as moving the horde cave south. That would balance out AV without requiring a physical map change.
Um I’m already exalted on three characters already that are in raid / pvp gear. Sorry if I generally like pvping in general and want more for my favorite battleground. If Blizz can break their own rules and change something in classic (black lotus spawns), I don’t see the problem with this happening in classic.
Judging by the fact that you’re posting on your retail toon I highly doubt that and even if it was true it only means you’re afking
They can do whatever they want with our cave location, Just make it less than 2 and a half hour queue.
I don’t care about changing settings for forums; you obviously do. My main is a rogue. You have no idea how many games where I’d have to beg other people to come down south and do something to help us stealthers after we’ve killed all the LTs for the lazy people farming at SH. But keep talking.
So you DO just want rep, fyi the counter to the strategy the horde employ is to grind them up at SH while a group repeatedly caps IBGY until one sticks.
The reason horde play they way they do is that they know alliance do not have the attention span for an hour long game and will give up after the first ten minutes (if not immediately).
I agree with you that the cave is the single biggest imbalance in AV. But think about what I said…there are no choke points on the entire map that favor the northern team.
That’s why IBGY is so hard to take, there’s only one way to attack it from the north while there are two paths for the defenders to use. The cave also plays into this as you explained above. But it’s the approach the northern team has to take that usually puts it out of reach.
Same can be said for IWB. That choke point only favors the southern team. It’s never an asset for the alliance because it get’s reinforced from the north at least three times the distance that the southern team has to travel. The alliance doesn’t get that same luxury with Tower Point because it’s not even a choke point in the first place.
Anyway, the cave at least is something that can be fixed. I’m not sure Blizzard has the capacity to fix that actual map imbalances.
We do know actually. Its already 100% confirmed. Why wait til then? Because that’s what they’re supposed to do.
All the change does is make Alliance win AV 100% of the time anyways because they’re closer to the GY in the middle and have a choke point bridge.
Alliance can’t use SHGY, SFGY or IBGY nor any of the surrounding map elements as a choke point. There is no point on the entire map where the alliance can say “you have to kill us to pass this point”. It doesn’t exist.
Ibgy. If you don’t have ibgy(+sfgy), you’re locked out of the map. We lose the race to it, as by the time we get to shgy horde is almost there, taking ibgy +sfgy to lock horde out is not a thing that has happened for months.
Imagine believing that the horde’s 99% win rate in AV is because of the map and not a difference in player attitude. Changing the map would increase your alliance win rate from 1% to 2%. Guarantee it.
IBGY isn’t a choke point for the alliance. The approach from the south is 50 yards wide and has two outlets.
The absolute easiest way to make it fair would be alternating starting positions. Kind of breaks the rp, but then it would definitely be fair.
Imagine believing that the alliance player attitude isn’t due to the map imbalance.
That would be hilarious lol
It is. One outlet is the gy, good luck running through there other outlet is towards sfgy where ideally alliance is killing the liutenants.
When you see it, there’s no way through. Realistically, they run you over and take it back no different how we could run horde out of shgy if the team is strong enough.
When an alliance premade takes sfgy and ibgy, it’s curtains. Alas…
You just said there are two outlets. That’s not a choke point.