Fair enough. You’ve already come to your conclusion. I still don’t think that you should sink to the level that you perceive him to be.
Offer suggestions sure but this platform would encourage a lot more civil discussions if everyone’s first response wasn’t to invoke hurtful insults.
no its not because you only decided to tell us that part of the story after you got smacked in the face. so it comes of like some trying to justify the situation and not what actually happened.
that’s the issue the story was only edit to put in the bit that painted them in a better light after they got told to shove it.
I would be fine making each player 40 waters, but does the group plan on waiting for me to drink and get mana to full 2 or 3 times before the dungeon actually starts?
The impatience of the process is what is annoying for the Mage. He prob was just trying to get you SOMETHING to get the run going.
It’s amazing you would kick someone without another word when you could have just said hey, any chance I could get another stack?
Your guild sounds awful.
Backlash? There’s as many agreeing as disagreeing with my actions. You’re right that I did add more context though. Was unaware that this would be such a divisive point to make, but that’s how it goes.
If anything the people who are disagreeing have semi confirmed my point. You all believe mage water is some sort of divine right and how dare a warlock be entitled to a reasonable amount of it.
I think the real problem is that OP and his group thinks that they are doing the mage a big favour (geared group, fast run, no completion for gear). They feel that their favour is not reciprocated.
On a good day OP and group may not care and may have just asked for more water. Maybe on this day they are particularly agitated since OP mentioned that they have to slaughter some opposing factions to get the summon out.
The reaction is understandable, although the way it was described do make people feel that OP may have overreacted.
Read up. I did add some more context to the situation. He was perfectly fine to not give the healer water who needed it.
Yes, I am defending his behavior based on the story, assuming it is true. People are also defending the mage under the assumption the story is also true. I haven’t commented on anything outside of this context. If he’s lying, he’s lying. I will never know whether or not some guy in an online forum is telling the complete truth. I am simply taking what is given to me and approaching the discussion from that angle, as are the people who have been replying to me and disagreeing. I don’t care about “what if he’s lying.” I only commented on this thread because I’ve dealt with mages that are like the one OP described, so I believe him. And even if he was lying, they exist. En masse. If you want to talk about the hypothetical scenarios where each person did something differently and we try to figure out who was in the wrong, it could go on forever. I’m talking about what is described in OP’s story, and the mage was in the wrong in my opinion. That’s that.
This is true. There’s no way of confirming my statements and I get that. Even so, people are essentially making their points as if it’s hypothetical (which it’s not), so the opinions are still getting out there.
No one has any sympathy for you. Being a jerk in game and then coming here for some form of validation proves you and your guild are trashy people.
Just as a side note to the whole story portrayal.
You are not carrying a 58 mage through Arena/Anger runs. A 58 mage should have most damage for that type of run. If you would have said level 50 sure.
You are not giving them loads of gear either. There are 2 drops that come from one boss in the arena that only had a chance of spawning. You could do 5 of those runs and not even see the boss that has mage gear.
You invited them for their water, they made you water, and you kick them for not handing you enough? What an elitist prick you are. I hope your server blacklists you.
which is why leaping to someone defence even more so when its a edited defence after they excuse me let me go quote here.
i’m sorry if you have people responding in a way that you what and you have to tack on a story that even at 100% truth paints you in a marginally better light then i think it’s fair to take that story with a grain of salt. cuss why didn’t you lead with the full story why did you feel the need to only add it after people didn’t react how you wanted.
I already said I don’t care if he’s lying. If he is lying or not doesn’t matter to me. I came to the thread because I’ve encountered several mages like the mage described myself and gave my opinion. Plus, people are defending the mage under the exact same assumption that the story is true. I’m not approaching this from an absolute truth perspective because at the end of the day I will NEVER know what actually happened or if some detail is being left out or altered.
End of the day, mages make water. If you don’t give water to your group members or give them incomplete single stacks of water when asked, then I don’t want you around.
Since attacking mages for “not doing their jobs” is the hot item right now.
Let me ask.
When’s the last time a lock gave you a healthstone.
On my journey to 60, which includes many dungeon groups (with locks) I’ve received only 1.
By OP logic if the warlock doesn’t trade you a healthstone within 30sec of dungeon then you should kick them.
When tanking, all of the time. And if I ask, I can get one 99% of the time without much resistance on other classes.
It’s a huge chunk of mana plus a reagant to conjure a healthstone so it’s obviously not as obligatory as giving the damn healer some water.
But let me also ask why you would be complacent with not contributing just because you think someone else isn’t? Do you just strive for mediocrity? Most mages are mediocre players so I’d understand that mentality. I’d kick a warlock too if I asked for a health stone and he said it was too much effort for him.
You and OP are full of crap. In this thread alone, multiple Mages have come out talking about how they never leave their groups high and dry.
Why is this so hard to ask for more water if you need it? It isn’t like it is a herculean task to see how many waters you have remaining and to say “Can I get some more water, please?” multiple pulls before you hit zero.
Not hard to say “Mage, AI please.”
Maybe it is just you being hyperbolic about a virtually nonexistent problem.
They do however bring up a good point about how some people do not come prepared.
If they are, your group has bigger problems than a Mage not making water.
People get all uppity about mages not being prepared by having multiple stacks of water to hand out
But give warlocks a pass because having soul shards and using Mana to cast them is soooo hard.
And no I’m not defending mages that don’t give out water. I’m just saying people blow it out of proportion and then deflect when they realize that they too forget to refresh buffs or don’t come prepared.
Like warlocks who don’t have soulshards.
Druids who don’t have Reagant for Rez.
Shamans not dropping totems.
Rogues that don’t want to lockpick.
Tanks that forget to repair.
Healers who don’t have water (if no mages)
Hunters running out of ammo.
I never said ALL mages are like this. I just said it’s the most common class for this type of thing to happen with. Obviously the ones who do their part are going to speak up about it because they don’t want to get bunched up with “that” group of players.
I just think it should simply be something the mage does out of courtesy. I’m not stingy enough to kick a mage for not being this proactive I think they should at least do it without asking. But if I were in OP’s position where he conjured up 120+ waters in front of me and gives me a 3/4 full stack of leftovers he was going through before he got to the dungeon when I have to ask for one, then yeah, I’d get rid of him.
I DO. Half mages I play with are good about it, but the other half won’t do it. They just won’t. I have to nag and nag and /w them and maybe halfway through the dungeon I’ll get an AI buff. Sometimes it’s because I have to literally spell it out for them.
That’s not a good point, idiot. Vendor water is expensive. Should I not buff you because “you should have came prepared with potion consumables, bro.” Of course not. It’s something you can do to help your group. Do it or GTFO.
According to classic WoW logs rogues and fury warriors outpace mage damage by a long shot. 20-30% on average. Go look it up for yourself if you don’t believe me. Maybe if it’s a heavy AoE dungeon it might lean toward a mage but for the most part, rogues are doing more dps than mages so if I want a guy who only wants to worry about doing damage and nothing else for his group, the rogue is more appealing.
I literally JUST said I don’t give Warlocks a pass for not doing this. It’s just a simple matter of healthstones costing a reagant and a bigger mana investment than conjure water. All you have to do to give out some water is use your spell and drink back up. If a Warlock for whatever reason wanted to healthstone the entire party, they must kill 5 mobs with a specific spell, gather the reagants, use a higher mana cost conjuration, and then hand them out even though the reagants are better used for themselves. It’s only obligatory that a tank gets one. If you’re a mage crying about not getting a health stone it usually means you’re a trash player who can’t control his threat. But if you really want one then obviously go ahead and ask. If they still won’t do it for you, then you have the right to be complaining.
Why do you assume he wasn’t just going to give you more later or drink to make more?
Sounds like you went drama queen mode.
How do you trust anybody when acting so cynical?