So mage teams won just 4, FOUR, games today in TOTAL. 3/4 by defending blizzcon champs. 2/4 wins on a braindead RET that forgot to bubble. 4/4 deep into dampening. Every other time the mage team got utterly destroyed by zug zug melee cleave… How many warrior & ret wins were there???
So you guys can go ahead and stop crying for mage nerfs now. Funny how on an even playing field with even gear mage doesnt seem to be that OP??? Combust was just tickling until ATLEAST -25% dampening. Seemed like it was easily countered by various comps all day…
Also if it wasnt for TRI shield, all mage teams would lose after the opposing teams first go. Mages are pigeon holed into this legendary just to be viable, so you all can go ahead and stop crying about that too, since melee is just smashing through it anyway.
Is mage strong? Yes. Is it OP? Absolutely not, and the AWC just proved it…
If you nerf mage, you’ll end up having to nerf ret, warrior, and WW damage by -25% and we all end up going back to BFA dampening snoozefest. Choice is yours…
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The AWC is proving that when everyone has full mythic ilvl gear with all that extra hp and the melee mongotrain the highest burst enemy they might avoid getting blown up faster than can be reacted to, sometimes.
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Thank God full BiS optimized gear and conduits are readily available for us on live ladder currently so we don’t get globalled.
We can all rest easy knowing the game is balanced around the top 24 players on the planet playing in a controlled environment.
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mages aren’t pigeon holed into this lol
they have the option of picking the best defensive legendary BECAUSE their offensive cooldown (combustion!) is so absurdly broken it makes me want to vomit thinking about it
defending fire mage current state probably means you have sub 80 iq
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That’s exactly what we ask for though.
Sustained damage should be buffed and nerf burst cd stacking.
Its stupid when you do 4k and then 16k with burst cd
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It is for sure clear that a different set of things will become OP as the season matures and people become BiS geared.
Warriors and Rets in full gear def run the show.
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see, no need to nerf convoke
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Lets take a moment to consider a lot of players will never reach that bis status, the gear upgrading is gonna create multiple metas throughout and unfortunately being less than fully geared means unfun extreme burst will reign supreme and be a really hard wall for anyone coming to the season late or with an alt.
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Some won’t even hit max level, lets balance for them.
The point is over here -->. I think you missed it
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not sure what % of arena players get elite gear, but it’s probably very low
what happens in the AWC means nothing to me, those games don’t very much look like what I see when I log in
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Conquest has a catch up mechanic.
You balance around the majority of arena players. Not the 2400+ and not the 1000mmr people, either.
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Still missing the point, pvp should have no need for gear progression outside of going from unrated honor gear to rated honor gear. Adding more progression and increase in power beyond that just stonewalls people who didn’t get in early in the season when the overall ilvl was lower.
If blizzard didn’t halfass vers and made it an actual pvp stat then locked pvp gear from both honor and conquest to a single ilvl, using that pvp stat to balance pvp gear against pve and maybe a set bonus to close the stamina gap things would be fine.
At this point though the stepping stones to get into pvp requires hours and hours of grinding away while being a free kill for nearly everyone moderately higher ilvl and until you hit a certain breakpoint in hp you’re just gonna be deleted against high burst people. By adding this kind of progression to pvp they’ve turned it into a slog to get into entirely because they didn’t want to use a pvp stat or scaling to deal with their multiple pve difficulties hilariously inflating ilvl every single tier.
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Not missing the point, I just don’t agree with you. This is an RPG and Blizzard created a system that allows you to catch up to anyone’s gear, even if you started late. People invest a lot of time into making their characters powerful and if from a gear stand point you want to be as powerful as them you will have to do the same.
Good thing this option is available to you and nothing is holding you back except spending time writing paragraphs on forums.
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So pvp is now just relegated to another system of gearing for whatever content you feel like? Would this upgrading mechanic not have been better served in mythic+ giving you currency if you time keys allowing you to upgrade your lower ilvl mythic+ gear to the highest level of key you’ve timed?
What actual good is there in pvp having a system like this while they also promote it as competitive esport style environment. You can have an rpg without “Numbers go bigger”, you can have pvp without a gear treadmill. They don’t let Mythic RWF players go to a tournament realm and get full sets of heroic raid gear to see who clears the raid fastest cause gear progression for bigger numbers to beat a dps check etc is part of the fun of pve. Theres no fun to be had in pvp when you’re outgunned by players who could already run circles around you.
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What everyone saw coming is happening. Literally the only “surprise” is the lack of WW Monks but its just not a popular spec on EU.
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