I am really disappointed with mage. For a caster with no heals, the damage is abysmal.
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Sucks for us this patch, but I’m sure it’ll be better next patch.
Didn’t wowhead just show frost mages ad A+ dps? Boy that didn’t age to well.
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It happens in PvP too… Every new patch all the mages are predicting A+ tier for frost PvP on all tier lists and want to relive the days when mage was super fun with shatter combos…
Then 2 weeks in… Oh fire is still the best… Rinse and repeat since BFA.
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It’s a class centered around hard casting. And unlike chaos bolt, FB hits like a wet noodle. Why would anyone think that
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I think because in 9.1 PTR FB was hitting for like 20k+ with stacked CD’s.
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They are if you can maintain tv.
The issue with frost is the fights are not good for frost.
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I’m pretty sure that was with pvp talents 
Yup, my comment + replies were the context of PvP.
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It’s a simbait. The 252 T27 mage profile sims well because it has 100% uptime on a boss & no DPS checks/burst checks to meet.
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had the same issue with last tier. All the sims with BiS gear where showing frost beating fire. I got in many heated arguments with someone in my guild over this when I mention that none of the top mages are able to replicate those numbers.
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I actually don’t mind fire being the top spec, its probably one of the best designed specs in wow at the moment in terms of its strengths, weaknesses, feel, visuals, etc.
once again all three specs bottom third. putting up purple parses but still low on dps charts, love it. 14 days left on sub and probably wont be renewing. thank you blizzard.
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Yet they nerf us based on the sims then DOOOOOOOOOOOOWN we go… Good old ridiculously horrible Blizzard.
I have two months left, I am in a competitive CE guild but honestly… I am just not enjoying mage right now. I do not need to be crushing the DPS meters, but having to stress min/maxing to the nth degree just to be barely above the tanks or above someone that died half way through the fight feels so bad. Icy veins is a garbage cooldown, no one gives a crap about passive 30% haste that you need to stress about uptime for. Make it do something else on top of it.
My major problem with their current system is that, it is such a PAIN IN THE BUTT to change your spec now. With tier, okay the tier bonus for arcane is INSANE, let me press n, click a button, change some of my hotkeys and away we go. Now you need to start farming crap a month in advance just to accommodate changing all your crap. It is ridiculous.
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B-but player agency 
Just so we’re clear here. When mages are decent to ‘over powered’ I enjoy playing them because they are impactful. I literally queue for guilds progging on bosses because I know my presence will influence their ability to progress further, even if I am locked to the content. But as of late, I am finding it a chore to even raid with my own guild. Being there just for an intellect buff and mage food during early prog when there’s no feasts feels horrendous.
Further to this, apparently fire has a new BiS legendary, like honestly Blizzard you really need to start refunding this currency. This is getting absolutely ridiculous.
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Honestly slick ice was good in theory but it requires 100% up time to be effective. Something needs to be done. We are at the bottom of the barrel.
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This may be the first time where all 3 specs of mage have been on the bottom end of things ever. Usually at least one is always up there, but now it’s not even the case
Although, tbf I don’t even know what arcane would need to be buffed. I am aware that frost does need a better cd than icy veins. Fire would have to have its power brought back to where it was in previous patch.
This gap in power may be due to how the buffs from the domination shards work and how it buffs up certain specs. Just think about it. Arms went from being one of the worst dps specs in raids with fury being a beast up there, but now arms done skyrocketed past every other dps spec in the game when there were little to no changes at all given to them outside of pvp going into this patch. Maybe this is a situation where the buff from the shards themselves just isn’t enough to keep us up there with the rest of the pack.
Whatever it may be I do think it might be due to some classes and specs benefitting more from the shards than others.
This is why frost feels bad. You’re hard pressed to have ridiculous uptime and getting hammered with two mechanics in a row just destroys your output.
It was also mentioned by a guildie yesterday, that frost suffers more as your guild improves. Meaning the faster adds die or you burn through a phase, the worse frost performance becomes because you NEED the uptime. 100% true. So, as the rest of the game gets better, frost gets worse #feelsbad.
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