M+ bans waves have begun

[Kimlyn-sargeras]

Yeah, I have no idea. I would imagine most of it could be done with a query and only the most erroneous ones investigated.

I am only speculating so it means nothing.

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

Honestly can’t say I care for the dungeon overall. The trash isn’t fun, the bosses aren’t fun, and it’s usually one I avoid doing because pugging it is hell.

[Gagarlaul-bonechewer]

to be fair the op is the one who started posting fake news. someone pointed out that it was just suspensions not bans

[Bonusbronze-sargeras]

I only think it’s a problem if you’re a serial key leaver. I doubt anyone patient and with good intentions will ever have the scope pointed at them.

[Irisheyes-zuljin (Irisheyes)]

I like lots of butter and salt on mine please and ty.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Akapally-barthilas

But why? What is triggering the bans?

It would be nice for Blizzard to give us some insight on what they are looking for and why they are doing these bans, because without some data to share with the players, this will just make players think twice about joining keys, and not just pugs, but with premade groups also since leaving could put a mark on your account.

No one wants to stop doing content, no one wants to risk getting banned just playing the game, but this sets a precedent, leave and risk being banned.

I get it, it might be an outlying type of player being banned, someone who joins keys and leaves within a few minutes, but it might be someone who just leaves a lot of keys.

Why though do players leave?

One is the high key leavers who need a perfect run, 1 wipe is 75 seconds off the timer, 2 wipes and now you have lost 2:30 on the timer and it’s game over, and if you wipe close to the start why would you even bother continuing? Those players will leave a lot of keys, but now we wonder who is going to leave first and get that black mark?

Another issue are they players who are not ready, players who have not done any research on what M+ entails, players who have never done group content on this level, players who are ‘practicing’ tanking or healing for the first time in a key, those groups can do bad and end up with players leaving.

But then there is the biggest problem, if a group is not going to time or even finish a key, if there are players who are being trolls, if you can still attempt the key, that is you have the time to do so, but can see it not happening for any reason, do you leave? Do you take the risk? Or do you hold the group hostage until someone else leaves?

This is all going to be a concern for anyone joining a key that is not going to finish, or not worth finishing, who takes the hit. If Blizzard are going to start banning others, they need to tell us what they are looking for, why they are doing it, and give us some options.

A mutual disband option would be good, but also, we need a new report option to report players holding the group hostage, and maybe Blizzard should finally start keeping logs and using that data to give players a score so we know who we are getting in our groups and for Blizzard to use that information when doing any future ban waves.

For example let’s use the log raid parsing, if I get into a group with someone who has a parse of 20 in high keys, high chance that person won’t be able to perform and could be a reason why groups are failing. And if said person is in many groups who are disbanding, even if they are not the person who leaves first, maybe they should look at that person as the culprit and not the person who is leaving.

At the end of the day, if you join a group with someone else being that type of player that is causing wipes, why should you get punished for them trying to do content they should not be doing?

Great post.

Let me add that there has to be more to this story that we are not privy to. But yes players leaving should be a choice and mutual disband option sounds reasonable to me.

[Stillaverage-area-52]

@Xyata-greymane

How can we fairly see if someone is skilled enough if the score can be easily flawed?

Ive been boosting for years. This doesn’t happen as much as you think it does. It definitely happens. But most people you think are boosted are just terrible at the game, and got carried the old fashioned way by just playing the game.

[Çarini-illidan]

Exactly so why announce it? It’s a little weird

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Xyata-greymane

How can we fairly see if someone is skilled enough if the score can be easily flawed?

Usually by the number of runs they have. Who’s more likely to have been carried, someone with 3 sub-10s timed and 8+10s timed or someone who has 30 sub-10s timed and 20 +10s timed?

[Xyata-greymane]

@Sôsari-dalaran

Usually by the number of runs they have

Not available information within the game. I don’t use addons and I shouldn’t have to look people up on other sites

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Xyata-greymane

Not available information within the game. I don’t use addons

Just cause you don’t doesn’t make it invalid. A large amount of players who run keys, especially in +10 range use addons. I would even argue the large majority uses it. We can see that information in-game without looking on the website.

[Stillaverage-area-52]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

But yes players leaving should be a choice and mutual disband option sounds reasonable to me

I think you confused what he was saying. You won’t find many good players that think there needs to be a mutual agreement. Nobody leaves keys for no reason. And until they are able to determine what the reason someone left is, then they can only really take action on people that are most likely trolling and leaving dozens and dozens of keys a day/week. Bad players don’t get to decide that everyone has to carry them.

[Akston-area-52]

@Sôsari-dalaran

Usually by the number of runs they have. Who’s more likely to have been carried, someone with 3 sub-10s timed and 8+10s timed or someone who has 30 sub-10s timed and 20 +10s timed?

This.

Was looking for a healer and dps to fill out a group the other night… Had a healer apply with 10s for every dungeon done, as only 10s completed. Timed or untimed., with next highest for any dungeon being an 8.

Did not take.

Healers are not so rare as some forums would have us believe. Took about 4 more minutes to get someone else.

@Xyata-greymane

Not available information within the game. I don’t use addons and I shouldn’t have to look people up on other sites

Then you have to deal with it.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Stillaverage-area-52

I think you confused what he was saying. You won’t find many good players that think there needs to be a mutual agreement. Nobody leaves keys for no reason. And until they are able to determine what the reason someone left is, then they can only really take action on people that are most likely trolling and leaving dozens and dozens of keys a day/week. Bad players don’t get to decide that everyone has to carry them.

Nope I understood very well. All players would welcome a mutual disband option for PVE just like in PVP.

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

All players would welcome a mutual disband option

Mutual disband in M+ requires a retooling of the group system to work that way for non-queued content, which is unlikely to happen and mostly unnecessary.

[Stillaverage-area-52]

Literally nobody would use it lol. That’s not how mythic+ works. We don’t need anybody’s approval, because there’s almost always going to be one or more person who doesn’t want to disband because they are the problem.

[Akston-area-52]

A mutual disband option would have zero effect on the issue.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Illaandra-gilneas

Mutual disband in M+ requires a retooling of the group system to work that way for non-queued content, which is unlikely to happen and mostly unnecessary.

In your opinion.

In my opinion it is very easy to do and very necessary with how the modern game has evolved.

[Stillaverage-area-52]

Explain to me how it’s necessary and what problem it solves

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Akston-area-52

A mutual disband option would have zero effect on the issue.

That is your opinion.

My opinion is that it would cut down on the toxicity of leavers in PVE and PVP.