I would love to use this argument based on the criteria in my own head 
âSince you donât make $150,000 a year like I do your opinion doesnât matter so I just went ahead and stopped reading.â lol
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People can have informed opinions on parts of the game they arenât actively engaging with at thatvery moment. A lot of myopic thinking in this thread. That is like saying, I canât have an opinion on anything political, because I never served in politics. See how idotic that sounds?
It is interesting watching the cognitive dissonance in this thead.
This is an abysmal take on M+.
The whole âIf you canât time a key at X level you donât deserve gearâ argument is played out and honestly childish.
As someone who regularly had a 3k+ io over multiple years, Iâm struggling right now in the pug scene. Itâs awful. It is the single worst season I have ever experienced in M+, ever. If you have a guild group or a group of friends in organized content in Discord, the experience is very different.
The big problem right now is the disparity in difficulty and class balance. Look at Healers (healer main here). I played Priest for my guild this tier so we had fort in our raid and it is a struggle bus class in M+. Between being told âPlay resto shaman or donât appâ to âPriest sucksâ to just flat out decline after decline after decline has simply made me want to quit.
The simplest fix here is that the crests you obtain in the content youâre doing should allow you to fully upgrade the gear from that content, end of story. The fact that Heroic gear requires Mythic crests to fully upgrade and those Crests require the coordination that comes with Mythic content is a major miss on Blizzards part.
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Just donât complain too much when subsequent x-pacs have even less content as people quit the game because content they used to have access to is now out of their skill reach
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Go do a 28 atal dazar and tell me theres no skill. Go do a 30 DOTI. Even s4 i was doing 14 Azure Vaults and 13 HOI. They were fun dungeons, everyone was getting loot, the pushers pushed for title, nobody was crying.
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The problem with stuff like this âIf you cant complete a 9, you just dont deserve Mythic crests.â
Is when you have this attitude coupled with websites like Wowhead and Icey Veins that promote âTier Listsâ for classes, you end up having âgoodâ players screwed over because they are playing a class, regardless of how good they may be, getting declined for 9+ Mythics because idiots will look at the class and not the player who deny an invite.
Makes the entire experience dumb. Also sick of hearing:
*Join a guild and you wont have this problem
*Start your own group!
These things dont magically make everything a big love fest. There are still issues with this. As long as these attitudes and websites pandering class lists are out there, issues will continueâŠ
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Yea, im in a guild⊠People arent always on or even want to m+ when im on. Also, just because theyre in your guild doesnt mean theyre not terrible lmao
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Are you suggesting 95% of the wow player base are mythic+ runners who can run 7s/8s but canât run 9s?
That seemsâŠconvenient.
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Yes everyone forgot how to move out of swirlys and interupt when tww dropped apparently 
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You arent engaging in M+ pugging this season. Many poster have come out and said THIS SEASON SPECIFICALLY SUCKS. You have no idra what you are talking about because you havent experienced it no matter how many years of content youve done in the past the fact remins RIGHT NOW, THIS SEASON, is absolutely bad, and worse for puggers. You think you know, but you havenât got a single clue.
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We really needed another self-righteous post about how those other people donât deserve to feel rewarded for playing a videogame.
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Well, neither are you, your character is only level 60.
You never stop whining, huh? I guess, they should just mail you gear for just logging in.
Players like you, is why leveling can be done by just auto attacking mobs.
aww did your stalking skills wear off? pretty easy to find my main nowadays. Gotta love the way you deflected to the age old âlol your posting on an altâ. I am impressed /golfclap
See how that feels? Gamers act like if you are not a top player in the game you donât have a clue whatâs going on. I have friends in game that love M+, Iâm well aware whatâs going in the M+ scene.
i agree with your sentiment. I am a 2k player. I am not going to be running 9s anytime soon.
gear is a tool
resources are the reward
It is easy to plateau in gear right now.
I am stuck at 612. I havenât had a group complete a + yet out of four tries.
notice I said that the group hasnât completed a +4. I didnât say âi havenât completed a +4 yetâ.
m+ is group content. each of us is part of a team.
and in the pugworld, this is most likely a team that has never existed in the history of WoW before. yet here they are trying to push content.
I am not looking for anything to be handed to me. at 600-605 ilevel, i made more than 200 attempts on zekvir before I killed him. i can be as stubborn as anyone - probably more.
but with zekvir, it was only my gear, skill, and knowledge that was on the line. eventually I aligned all 3 of those elements and got it done.
in m+ content, there are four other people, whom i donât know, with whom I cannot converse, and all of their variables.
yes, m+ has always been this way, but the consequences of getting the content wrong and the impatience for any mistakes at all, on top of the difficulty of this seasonâs dungeon pool and its tuning, have made the whole experience quite unfun.
has it separated the âgoodâ players from the âbadâ ones? only in some ways.
I would argue that it has punished the generally decent players from progressing.
again, I am not looking to run +9s. my goal seems to need 6/7s.
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What? See how what feels? How I experienced M+ pugging and you didnât? What sort of âGOTCHAâ moment did you think you had there? Having friends that enjoy current M+ season adds right about⊠minus 10 to your arguments. You are not speaking from a place of experience, you have no idea what is going on in the M+ âsceneâ, let alone the pug scene which you never address because you donât partake either.
I repeat, RIGHT NOW, AT THIS MOMENT, THIS SEASON. THE ONE WERE IN RIGHT NOW. It feels particularly terrible, more so than ANY OTHER SEASON. And unless you experience pugging after +7s, anything you say is meaningless, literally.
SeE hOw ThAt FeElS?
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i also appreciate the current state of m+. Its so bad that it made me cancel sub and now i can spend my time better instead of depleting keys and waiting in the lfg panel to find a 12+
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Thatâs the thing here, you are using your anecdotal experiences and trying to pass them off as the norm for everyone. My experience is irrelevant here. Raidio is showing that M+ is still very popular, this season is just slightly lower than DF season 1 as far as timed keys go.
The only reason it isnât higher, is because delves cut into M+ participation.
Your post is just one of another subpar player trying to get content nerfed down to their skill level. The people that love M+, and that are good at it, arenât having any issues.
You keep complaining about the pug scene, maybe find a guild or some friends in game?
We arenât asking for nerfs, we are asking for the range of difficult that was M0 to M10+ to be returned to the game. This is the difficulty range that is perfect for many of us. Itâs not just a matter of get gud, not everyone is the same as your perfection.