The basic protection in this case is “Leave group”.
No, it’s Paypal arbitrarily stealing money that’s not theirs. The number of cases of paypal screwing over their userbase in the last 20 years is mile high already, poor example.
I did a pug normal raid yesterday and nobody said anything about loot at all.
Boss dies, drops loot, roll need or greed, loot goes out, on to the next boss.
It’s so natural and the hate seems mainly on the forums.
Will see how it goes with more runs later.
And the number of people it’s actually done the right thing for is also sky high, No system is perfect, Providing a basic level of protection to both parties isn’t hand holding, There are ALWAYS going to be bad actors that try to abuse the system.
The goal is to MINIMISE the abuse vectors you’ll never get rid of all of them.
The main sigh we got was “NOW cloth drops” from one of the few cloth players. Because group loot doesn’t favor class stacking. But yes I think this is largely an imagined problem based on what I’m seeing. Either people that somehow think they are more deserving of loot or don’t understand how the negative aspects and statistical weirdnesses of personal loot worked.
No. Their system has always been ripe for abuse. Freezing funds because I bought something on eBay and then claimed I got a box of metal shavings with barely any proof beyond a picture that can be easily set up will never lead to anything good.
It’s why their latest controversy have left them losing half their stock value.
Why am I not surprised you would be all in on Team “Paypal” with your bad takes about guild groups ?
Leave group existed already.
Just leave the group.
If you stay, that’s on you.
Can do that with literally any banking /credit system
This isn’t a discussion of stock values? But ok bud
Yes It’s a Bad tank because I don’t want one group of people to have leveragable power over another just based on social status, Holy heck I am the leader of bad takes.
I should of known better than to try and convince you of anything because you are so bullheaded and think that guilds cannot ever be capable of doing something wrong, It MUST be the pug.
By the argument of ‘just leave it’s on you’
We don’t need consumer protection laws
We don’t need domestic Violence protection
We don’t need rights protection
We don’t need basic human rights
The difference is Visa will actually require a bit more tangible proof.
You think Paypal’s stock value plummeted because their userbase is happy ?
That’s the point : it’s a bad take because no one forces you to remain in a Guild group with loot set to ML.
LEAVE. GROUP.
My god dude. Human rights don’t absolve you of personal responsibility.
Like don’t go out at night in South Central LA. Sure, you can scream human rights all you want as you get mugged.
I love it how your now trying to dodge it when your argument is applied everywhere else, Perhaps it’s because you know it’s a bad take to argue against basic protections being applied to both groups.
I’m not dodging I responded to it head first.
LEAVE. GROUP.
You don’t have a human right to be in a guild’s group and impose your own loot rules. Making it about Human Rights is the daftest thing I’ve read all day and that’s saying a lot.
Imagine comparing joining a group in WoW to the protests going on Iran.
Or they just bring back ML (like plenty of people asked for) so raid creators can decide to set it as personal loot or ML and then the pugs can decide with they want to join or not. Either way though I agree that LFR should NOT be on any system other than personal loot.
Haha I remember in Cata lfr I was rolling against a premade.
I rolled a 100 in spine and won the dps trinket
Then again I rolled a 100 on death wing and won the two hand sword
This pissed them off so badly that they demanded I trade the Loot. I showed them my blue sword and a pvp trinket and told then its more than 50% increase in dps and I NEED it more than them in NEED before Greed system and left.
Nope you are dodging it, All of those things have basic protections, All of those things you can just ‘leave’ Don’t need basic protections.
You are quite literally arguing that it is OK to have leverage over another individual due to social status, Not everyone is going to have a lifestyle that permits them to be in static raid time groups, Shift workers exist.
All this would do is stop the guild from being able to screw over a pug, And it also stops the Pug from being able to sit there and lie about the guild ‘ninjaing’ or anything else.
The guild has to accept they have a pug and may not be able to use their desired system.
Your basic protection is LEAVE GROUP.
I don’t know how else to say it.
But in WoW groups you can.
That’s the beauty of it.
You leave group, the Iranian morality police won’t imprison you. How tone deaf do you have to be to make this out to be a Human Rights issue.
No one in WoW has leverage over you.
You’re free to leave group at any time with 0 consequences.
If it’s bad Just leave - Raiimir.
For WoW groups ?
Yes. Absolutely. How can you deny this ? What consequence is there for leaving a bad group before drama happens ?
Right click, leave group. Boom. Jump into the next one.
Imagine equating this with Human rights causes where you’re simply disallowed to leave without physical punishment or death. How insensitive can you be ? 0 actual empathy or understanding. Like I don’t get easily offended, but you might just have managed to do it.
If it’s bad, Just leave - Raiimir
How long do you want to go in circles ?
You’re just trolling at this point, no one is this far gone.
If it’s bad, Just leave - Raiimir
Trolling it is. Just gonna flag and move on I guess.
Proves I won the debate.
Except you havn’t won anything, All you’ve done is argue an individual should not have protections.
If it’s bad, Just leave - Raiimir