Lfr was always 25m specifically because of dps queues. You only ever need 2 tanks regardless of raid size. Those tanks only need to do lfr once a week. Think about how many dps would have hours long queues without it being 25m.
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Itâs alright. Itâs better than ICC and Dragon Soul. Itâs FAR better than Nighthold. Game is still fun to play casually. The RNG for cool stuff and power is what sucks,
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Everything is better than Dragon Soul.
NGL, Sylvanas comes close to being worse, though.
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I think it was a prudent idea to add a mode that everyone, regardless of skill, infirmity (physical or psychological), RL time constraints, ect, could do. After all, the mode is still mulit-player, therefore respecting the genre, and they do still need to work together, honoring the requirements of the content.
However, I think it would have been more prudent to make it an obvious non-progression story mode called âScenicâ which consistently had mob bosses health bars under the total of the partyâs health bars, zero mechanics outside of single player affects like fire and gear equal to whatever was available from end game questing. (Because you might find this particular fight/raid braindead but others have found various LFR raid fights out of their league due to high health/mechanics/too many adds/whatever.)
Because, the way it stands now, every time the only-easy-mode players do get smacked with mechanics it creates another negative and frustrating WoW experience for them; some players think it is a part of progression and make ridiculous, entitled demands on that basis; and, the worse issue to my way of thinking, players are left believing it is an authentic raiding experience, when it is not even close.
I think it is Blizzardâs idea of sceneic/story mode like garrisons were Blizzardâs idea of player housing.
Expecting players to achieve goals in order to progress (and/or for equivalent rewards) is not being elitist.
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A lot of people misuse the term, sadly.
Excellent post, overall. Itâs fun when you get thought out responses and not baseless accusations.
More like youâre deliberately pretending not to understand that people arenât being 100% literal and using that to accuse people of being intolerant.
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@Sarama this is the post that i had been responding to
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I donât think he read your post.
I donât think youâre paying attention to how youâre saying things. If you didnât mean what you said you should write more deliberately.
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Yea especially on more than one toon⌠Iâd go nuts
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Thatâs one reason I run it.
Gear is mostly useless, but nice for transmog I guess.
Iâve seen plenty of people die to those âzeroâ mechanics.
I almost exclusively heal in LFR and I see everything people are doing⌠everything. If it truly had no mechanics a lot less people would be dead at the end of the fights. The interesting thing is 9 out of 10 people who fail mechanics will do them right the next time if someone explains it after a wipe without being a jerk about it.
I have fun healing, trying to keep people alive through their mistakes and pumping out the lava bursts.
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You do understand that even the easiest platform games require you to at least know how to jump, yes?
Equating the observation that LFR fights are mechanically gutted and offer no challenge to ableism is peak dishonesty.
who decides âbare minimumâ who decides what is âhardâ or âeasyâ and for whom? who does specific content serve? should things that are inaccessible to the majority be removed? or things that are accessible to everyone? who ultimately decides what gets cut or stays in the game? cuz itâs not us. not a single bit of that.
Eh. Mostly I agree, itâs just a game of trying to snipe what little healing you can do, and thatâs not fun. Dread Lords have some solid AoE damage going out though. I have fun thoroughly stomping the other healers when thereâs actual healing to do.
âŚbut, @OP, as a general rule, no, Iâm not in LFR because itâs fun. Iâm there because it drops Tier. Otherwise its useless. Thereâs too little going on to be engaging most of the time. And if you try to make it harder, it becomes impossible in lazy random groups who just want to get the rewards and get out.
Iâm not saying it shouldnât exist. I do think there needs to be an avenue for those otherwise unable to raid to see the content. But Iâm not there for fun, and it doesnât seem like most of the people in the groups are there for fun either.
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It does, however, force at least a handful of them to learn if they want to get anywhere. And the classes now are much simpler to these people now than say, in MoP, when the lfr actually posed some challenge.
Some people think forcing players to learn the game is bad, and I think those people are 100% wrong. My source is the entire history of the game until recently.
The line between âfreeâ and âbeginner friendlyâ has to be drawn somewhere, at some point.
there arenât any rewards to speak of coming next week. you can just do world content and use the catalyst to make yourself tier even from world content. people will still run lfr though. because they enjoy it. not everyone does. not everyone has to. a fraction of the player base does high end content and there isnât rivers of tears over it existing. people just get angry that everything they like to do is distilled down to âchoresâ to higher end players and intentionally gutted because raiders/mythic+ers/pvpers donât want to do anything but their tiny slice of content.
You have no idea how much I would love to go back to farming basilisk meat for hours to make gold, or angler rare fish hunting, or halfhill farming, farming x mob for rep, rare drops, or the various other miscellaneous activities we used to have in this game besides instanced content.
Want to know why people call current daily/world quests chores? Because their only purpose now is to gate a shallow, unfullfilliling grind, when it used to not be that way.
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There are Mechanics. Shadowlands has been very good at not removing mechanics in LFR. Nathria and Sanctum removed a single mechanic per boss, and as such, it was a good way for people to learn the fights and adapt to Normal.
Anduin is an outlier. His fight was gutted. And if youâve done Normal Anduin and LFR Rastakhan, youâd understand why.
LFR Rastakhan is objectively THE most gutted LFR fight in the game. And yet people wiped plenty on him, because as Blizzard learned, splitting the group in LFR is a bad idea. This was also an issue on Opulence.
So Blizzard learned from this and removed the group split aspect of the fight for Anduin. However, the mechanic they left untouched was his unholy barrier. If your group wonât stack to let the healers break the barrier, you will wipe. Thatâs not even a question, it will happen.
And to help lessen the impact THIS mechanic has on healers, the blasphemy damage was toned down significantly. Because putting all of the pressure on the healers is horrible.
LFR is fun, and people like the OP who question how anyone might enjoy it, are probably the same people who join and slack off because itâs âEZ Modeâ then rage when wipes happen and quit.
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I was appreciative of the actual attempt to discuss until this part. I expect better from the âcouncil.â
Tell me, how many low geared players have you helped through a fifteen this week?
in legion and bfa i thought WQ were really really fun. i used to do them even when i didnât need anything (i didnât care about tf) because the WQ themselves were fun. the SL ones are the worst version of WQ to ever exist. they made them a complete slog AND gave you no real reason to do them because your class hall set then area content gave much better rewards. the same thing with lfr now. i can fly around and get treasures and get normal raid level gear. thatâs not what i want, or what i think most other casuals want. i didnât mind upgrading korthia stuff because it was grindy (which i enjoy) but wasnât moronically like benthic where you had raiders whining about random effects working in the raid. (which shouldâve never been a thing. WQ boots better than mythic raid boost? get the heck out) if they took the dumb parts out of some stuff and took the dumb stuff out of other things and combined the good parts then both camps would be happier i think.