did you miss the part when I said I’ve done LFR but I don’t have a full complete?
it’s also a forum, I’m not submitting this for grading - I don’t care
You’re adding nothing to this conversation aside from an out of date opinion, thank you for your time
Ok, since you wanna be like Clark about it from your earlier posts.
ive done LFR.
Its fine, it has been fine, frankly this xpac its been the best it has been in awhile.
Sunday and Monday? Maybe… otherwise the longest i waited in a DPS que was… 30 minutes? and i did some WQ’s while i waited.
Not even close, most of the fights get steamrolled fairly easy, sure some people will die, but thats just LFR being LFR, even N’zoth isnt bad so long as you have someone directing the group.
Sure you get the super quiet runs… but tell a few jokes, and things get funny in there, frankly most LFR groups if you get them going are pretty fun. We had a hunter offering feet pictures for a bow in one i was in earlier.
Subjective.
If you dont like LFR, don’t do it, but this idea of gutting it out when its content for lots of other people is where the real problem environment is.
be like Clark?
Sarcasm, when you demanded only people who did it can say anything about it.
But thats off topic, on topic, LFR gets more hate then it deserves, i’ve seen it be accused of spreading toxcity (no more then any other pug), depleating the raider pool (do i even need to say why thats hosgwash?), and dumbing down the game (again… not really)
Like so many others have said, you dont like it, dont do it
Yeah it should be a pretty good rule of thumb to not listen to feedback when the people don’t know what the issue of the topic is
Are you NA for your queue times? all my queue times have been extremely long and usually I end up in a half complete finished run
I’m not advocating for it’s removal, I just believe the whole thing right now is in a pretty user unfriendly shape
I am NA, but i work weird hours, so its hit or miss. like i’ll run them sometimes as late as 5am my time.
The half done thing i will admit IS a problem… and just flat out annoying since your going to have to reque to get a boss you want whos at the start of the wing…
That said, there is a system in place where if you get into a half done run and finish it, your grouped into a fresh run the next time you que… just gets aggravating sometimes and THAT frustration i agree with
EDIT: I will admit, late late my time, ques can get on the longer side (where the 30 minute comes in)
on the upside though a side effect of this corruption vendor looks like it might be drawing a lot of players in to get the echos
big win there
Oh look fake numbers :>
I base it on time to get into an LFR, with most queue times taking 45 minutes or more - this tells me It’s pretty low.
Honest question. Whats the difference between gathering random strangers in the group finder vs a system gathering random strangers. They are both random strangers. Ive never understood this argument for why one should be better than the other when in reality they should both have about the same amount of unpredictability.
Perhaps the problem is the population is only a few thousand active players at this point. I suppose we will never know 
Maybe I am an old fart but back in the day I remember a lot of players having fun casually pugging normal raiding in WotLK.
Has the normal raiding scene since then become so intense that LFR is preferable for casual and laid back play? I am curious to read what people’s thoughts are on this.
One you can screen, other you can’t. Not that hard to understand.
The unpredictability percentile is higher in an LFR environment compared to a premade.
Actually, LFR worked really well in MOP when most of the bosses required people to do mechanics and work together.
I didn’t do LFR in WOD, but in Legion they made most bosses cake and then the raid would fall apart when they came up against a boss that required them to follow mechanics.
So in part, this is Blizzard’s fault. By making most of the bosses super easy, the people in the raid don’t feel as though they need to learn how to do mechanics - or they feel they can AFK through it.
If all the bosses required some kind of mechanics, then players would learn how to play and while some bosses might be harder than others, the experience wouldn’t be so jarring (going from super easy to a regular boss encounter).
Again, this is what we saw in MOP - each boss required mechanics and teamwork. This is what Blizzard needs to go back to.
OR Blizzard just needs to make all the bosses super easy (ie, doesnt require raid to follow mechanics to win).
Well WoW is the only game in existence where the playerbase actively becomes worse as they continue playing. Im not sure what that says about WoW in general, but im sure it isn’t good.
I would imagine the minimum ilvl would or could be raised to account for this. I guess maybe you mean the Group Finder people are taking over geared players thus its easier? I could see that, im not sure you actually beat the content as intended, but it makes sense. Thank you.
LFR and LFD exist because in the days before them players liked to lock others out of content. Blizzard could not afford to have a large amount of players locked out so they created this system. A system that NO ONE is forced to use. Yet the screams to have it removed are daily because control was had and it was lost.
Since LFR & LFD a lot of people have gotten much better at playing the game. You can tell that since we went from Vanilla simple fights to the far more complex fights we have now. Without the LFR & LFD systems in place the quality of fights would have to dull over time to meet a population that can no longer practice.
You can screen players ilvl but also can use raider io for other information. Really depends on the group creator, they can choose to just invite anyone above a certain ilvl with no requirements a side from ilvl.
Yeah look I don’t know if LFD and LFR have made people better at the game overall or just time has
you still see a lot of derp out there
True.
But the only way to get over derp is to practice. And if you are labeled a derp you can’t get into a group and if you can’t get into a group you can’t practice. Then if you can’t practice you will never ever be able to loose your derp.
We all started out as derps. And hard core players don’t have time to carry derps. If we let the hard core players rule again they will only take in a derp and rise them up to fill a position and that’s all. Once they have a core of dependable people the rest are disposable. So without these systems in place, we would fall backwards to 75% not being able to see the end game again. Thus making raids something not worth investing time to create from Blizzards standpoint.
That is much more likely to indicate that the number of tanks or healers in queue is low, which is as informative as knowing water is wet.
Derps can form groups/guilds and practice till they get it down. There’s already a ton of normal raiding guilds out there always looking for people. That’s a much better way to become un-derpy.