I mean, I suppose you may be noticing a lot of groups that are taking specific classes for particular roles, but from my experience this is actually happening a lot more than the spell cleave groups. As I’ve mentioned, I’ve leveled my warrior almost exclusively tanking, and have not once run a Spell Cleave.
While I can understand it is frustrating not to be invited to some instance groups, and feel like it is because people would prefer a different class, I’m not sure I’ve really understood what it is you’re hoping to do with this post.
I know that you’re politely trying to say that I’m just complaining. It’s a problem on my server, that’s all I can really say as you haven’t experienced it much.
There’s a difference between crying and connecting with others to find a solution. I’ve stated what my solution was fairly clearly.
To be sure, I’m trying to understand where you’re actually coming from. Like, are you genuinely trying to solve a problem, or are you suggesting that the way some people prefer to play is toxic and should be rejected.
Those are pretty different things, and one of them comes from a resentful place that is toxic.
There’s no statement of a solution from what I can see. None whatsoever.
I’m sorry you’ve predetermined what you wanted to say upon entering the thread and ignored speech as a solution to problems. The quote is there for whenever you wish to put on glasses.
Imagine being told seven times that this has nothing to do with my chosen class, but about the community itself.
Exactly my point, that’s why I don’t like this meta. It being so popular restricts freedoms, I don’t know why you’re trying to sell off me complaining about it as even remotely similar to controlling others. I don’t know why you also think trying to convince others is remotely similar to controlling others.
What I know for sure though, is that you’ve been pretty volatile and ignorant to the main subject of the thread, while focusing on me, even though I’ve never complained once that this is all happening because I’m ret.
And now we circle back around. Me being ret has nothing to do with the post. You refuse to see that this post is about other classes. I’m aware of ret’s problems, and I’m not attributing them to this.
You may as well pretend I’m not a paladin if it’s going to help you understand the thread a little bit better. I’m sorry it’s very hard for you.
I have not predetermined anything. I’m genuinely trying to understand where you are coming from and whether this is an issue.
Communication is a good means to discuss problems and solutions. If you are suggesting that communication is the solution, then that’s interesting. It’s not something that I see as being a solution, though I could see it as being a means toward a solution.
Trying to find a solution that you may have mentioned, I come across this:
I’m curious as to whether this is the solution you are suggesting? And if so, are you also implementing it, or are you currently in communication stages, and still looking for a solution?
Something that I tend to do when identifying a problem is to also identify ways to measure the problem, and potential solutions. This way, I have some form of metric to determine whether it is working.
My points in discussing things in this thread with you have been to try to better understand what you are identifying as a problem, and what may be a solution, such that we could set measurable objectives.
If it’s a mage problem, all non mage DPS would complain. I see only you, the ret complaining. Common sense dictates you are wrong and that this is a ret problem.
Okay, now I’m starting to get attuned to your conversation style. Forgive me for jumping. Anyway, yes this is what I’d hope people would do, but the whole point is to just have fun and not think about it too hard. That would be most everyone’s thoughts in a videogame, you might think or predict.
People are too used to treating it like a job, though. You have to do everything right, you have to get it perfect. This is what happens when people find the most efficient thing to do in an old game in which Blizzard would have obviously changed if we were back then, if they realized people were doing it this much.
Can I stop people? No. Do I doubt that they really wanna do this more than anything else? A little bit, and that’s where I’m trying to reach out to people. You don’t have to follow this 100% perfect way to play, you can just have fun if you want.
So, this seems to be very close to the heart of the point you are making, I think.
I suppose the big question is whether the Spell Cleave meta is preventing this from happening, and whether that is a problem you see and are trying to address.
You’re going to make each and every one of these people who are complaining about the meta, (why would they if it doesn’t affect them, genius?) create a clear statement that they’re not able to get groups.
Guess what? I never even stated that I can’t get into groups, it’s just more difficult.
This isn’t about me, it’s bigger than that. Stated this very early on.
It’s not outright preventing it from happening, but it being a major part of the culture is harming it.
Well, I’m not sure how bad things are versus how they may be perceived, as I did not put any effort into collecting data (surprise, I didn’t catalog the history of LookingForGroup and record the numbers looking specifically for mages or AoE dps vs not over any period of time!), so I don’t have special insight. I can tell you what I personally did, while leveling.
I rolled a class that could perform multiple roles
I formed my own groups to do things I wanted to do, the way I wanted to do them
This worked very well for me. I don’t have data, and do not know how well it would work for others, so /shrug.
The downside of doing what I wanted to do was that I didn’t particularly enjoy solo questing as a warrior. It wasn’t my favorite. I also felt very healer dependent.