Leveling in Vanilla

I have never seen the elite complain about leveling.

I would argue those are usually the most fun. You’re learning the system, the graveyards are closer, and you’re having a ball with the newness and relatively fast progress. The later level are the most painful when you’re just ready to be 60 and tired of the slog.

I like the lvl’ing of classic the best because it is a barrier to entry for newbs and casuals. This makes for an overall better experience with the player base later on. Because the people who do make it have shown the patience and dedication it takes.

Unlike in BFA where u have a 100% success rate in the game until you reach mythic+ and then the group gets to find out the hard way if you can handle it or not.

Oh just go over to GD and start a thread asking them directly. “Hardcore raiders! Do you LOVE leveling?” See what kind of responses you get.

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Anyone who hates leveling and rolled horde is in for a fantastic treat when they do their ony atunement. No spoilers, but its clear the original designers of the game really wanted to punish you for something. Oh, extra special bonus if you roll a shaman and plan on having a water totem. enjoyyyyyying!!!

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Lol I always play Alliance…I’ve never considered the attinement from the Horse side!

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I did both. Alliance on EU, horde on US. I can tell you categorically that the alliance chain is a breeze in comparison. A really awful, biting, savage breeze… more like a howling wind in the pits of winter blowing ice into your face, but the horde is antarctica at minus 50 with a gale force wind pushing the wind chill to minus 150, and you just got chased off a ridge by some furious vampire penguins into the ocean where a friendly orca slowly chewed you from the legs up mistaking you for a tasty seal… breeze.

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LMAO-- I just read through the two attunements. That was absolutely masochistic of the game designers. I can imagine them thinking, “This is an Alliance story, but you really want to do this raid? OK then, you’re gonna have to work for it!”
I especially love this part at this very beginning:

Slay Highlord Omokk, War Master Voone, and Overlord Wyrmthalak. Recover Important Blackrock Documents. Return to Warlord Goretooth in Kargath when the mission has been accomplished.
Important Blackrock Documents: 0/1
War Master Voone slain: 0/1
Highlord Omokk slain: 0/1
Overlord Wyrmthalak slain: 0/1

2) You will need a full party of five for Blackrock Spire(BRS). The documents spawn randomly at one of the three bosses above and only one per instance can be acquired.

Good luck getting documents for 40 people in a timely manner!

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Oomkin lfg

Yep, this. Get used to grinding a lot. Quests don’t help that much in Classic.

Incorrect, there’s a substantial amount of exp in quests, the trick is getting 4-5 done and turning in at a time.

Yeah, as someone who’s grinded quite a few classes in Classic to max, I 100% disagree there. Questing is useful at like level 9 or something. At level 40, you’re losing MASSIVE XP per hour by doing quests.

I guarantee you, grinding is faster by a factor of 2 minimum.

Nah, you kill stuff and complete the quests - it’s not like they’re mutually exclusive.

I tend to kill/grind my way, but I try to do it and get the quests done while I’m killing - it’s a very nice bonus, and well worth the time.

The person with the record for fastest time to 60 has a guide that has you doing quests all the way up to level 60(as Horde, which is supposed to be worse for very high level questing).

I don’t imagine they would do anything except the fastest possible route to 60.

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Retail is for the instant satisfaction babies and classic is for the journey.

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Okay, what are the conditions of this record though? Were people summoning him? What was his gear like? Did people help him DPS mobs down? Did he have access to a 40mount?

Either way, questing on average will be slow as hell for most people. The persons who figure which quests are efficient for leveling are obviously smart. But, how many things factor into this and do not factor?

I stand firmly on the statement that questing by vast majority will be slower. I’m totally willing to believe that someone figured out exactly which quests to do and which ones not to do. Does that change my point? Does it even really challenge my point?

If you want to follow a guide, then don’t take my advice, because my advice is not an in-depth guide.

Got it - exactly which quests do you do and exactly which ones do you not do?

Questing in general is slow as hell.

I have to absolutely disagree with anyone saying quests are slow. The game was designed to provide a leveling path through quests all the way to 60. It may fail sometimes, but the path is there if you want to take it.

As someone said previously, you just have to kill your way to the questing areas and do them quickly. You just shouldn’t break immersion as it is key to questing and helps keeping energy levels and concentration high.

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Their speedruns were done on fresh servers without help. Naturally, they were the first 60 on the server.

Even for somebody who doesn’t know what they’re doing I’d argue questing is not slow until around level 40-45, at which point you might get bounced around too much if you don’t know what you’re doing.

Even then though you should be doing some quests. At around 50 you might as well go to the Blasted Lands and do the quests that has you grinding mobs for drops anyway, for example.

I’d also argue that between people using guides and people who have optimized their leveling routes on private servers, it wont be the vast majority anymore that don’t know what they’re doing.

All I’m saying is that you have to know what quests to do for that to be efficient.

If someone is looking at a guide, don’t take people’s advice in general.

But, my advice in general is focus on grinding, not questing.

That being said, sure Blasted Lands quests are easy and rewarding. There’s no doubt that you’ll level faster if you pick specific quests.