Since warrior seem to trend as the second most popular class behind mages, and every streamer and their mother plays one (esfand aside), do you think we will see as many this time around?
Let’s be honest for a second. How many will actually hit 60 without pocket heals? Now granted all classic leveling is a literal grind but warrior much more so with no outs, self heal etc. So will many players quit?
Also in PVP I think they will be much different than how people think of them. Once again without dedicated healers in a battleground warrior are next to useless. Any ranged class will absolutely shut them down. And they will be kited endlessly. I imagine many frustrated players wanted to reroll.
Not bashing warriors since they still do godly dps in pve, and can obviously tank the best. But do you think that these players actually know what they’re in for? I myself would say a good 30% of the players polling that they will play warrior will actually never see 60 on that class.
I think you need to relearn the meaning of “Every”.
The highest percentage of L60s will be Warriors or Mages, because once you start, during Rush at least, you aren’t going to quit and reroll till you hit 60.
I think a good number of people will roll Warrior having heard tales on the forums or Reddit about how overpowered they are, how they dominate PvP, are the best tanks, and can top DPS meters.
I also think a lot of those people will ultimately be disappointed in the amount of work, gear, and pocket healers being able to do all of those things actually ends up requiring in the end.
Especially since the leveling process of a Warrior can be quite painful.
I got a Warrior to 60 in Vanilla. Took forever for a few reasons, mostly because was like thirteen and didn’t really know how to play that well. Just takes patience.
Further more, if someone doesn’t have the skull thickness and tolerance for pain, they shouldn’t have a 60 Warrior. Tanks were called ‘meatshields’ for a reason.
Well if any decent warrior “allows” that to happen, then they aren’t a good warrior and should consider re-rolling, just my opinion.
Warriors have a lot of solid skills to close the gap on ranged and frankly put, slow their foes down and make life miserable for them as the ranged player can’t get away.
Also there are heal potions, warriors can also stun their foe and then quickly bandage up, etc. Sure it is a bit more of a grind with more down time for solo warriors leveling without pocket heals, I totally agree, but other then that, I know they can also make life very miserable for any ranged class with the skill gap closers they have access to, as they tend to be on a short CD and nearly spammable.
They’re not that bad to level up. During vanilla most people didn’t know how to level up efficiently. Most would just play the game and hope for the best.
Nowadays though you have leveling guides, tips/tricks to leveling warriors up, and weapon progression as you level up. The last one I think is the biggest one as keeping your weapon up to par to your level is gonna make things way easier.
Though the class is still annoying to level up, it’s not any worse than rogues or other mdps.
Warriors will most likely be top pick, because they are best PVP, PVE DPS, and tank. Their 3 talent pages are literally best at their role, vs any others. Raids will typically have more warriors, than anything else.
You speak as if leveling is some kind of impossible act without a dedicated healer behind you. It’s not. Just because warrior is more difficult to level, doesn’t mean you can’t get there. It just might take a little longer to do so. But whether you level slower or die more, you’ll still get there. Some players might quit, but this isn’t 2006. People know what they’re getting now when they pick a class. No one is going to pick a classic warrior in 2019 and say, “I had no idea this class is difficult to level. No one ever said it, no guide ever mentioned it.”
BGs really depend. Warriors usually do fine in WSG/AB, healers or not. AV is where you may struggle, but it’s because you’re melee, on a map mostly made for ranged combat. Archers/casters can shoot you from the top of towers/hills/etc. In large pileups, no amount of healers can keep someone alive, so naturally, you’ll die. Warriors are still good however for tanking elites, pushing enemy lines, or picking off stragglers. Piercing howl/fear in an enemy raid at the right place can be quite a problem.
Warriors are fun to play. The gear and how they scale doesn’t matter. They’re just fun. They have a unique playstyle that hasn’t really been replicated since in wow either with stance changes.
But that’s no problem, many will be very casual or at least somewhat casual. There will be plenty of room for good warriors.
You mean in a game where there are mathematically superior classes which are not gonna change, a majority of players are gonna choose to play the best classes… what a strange concept…
It’s almost as if making flavor of the month into flavor of forever is bad for class distribution…
But if anyone suggests rebalancing the classes every so often they get shouted down even though that is more authentic because the classes were constantly being balanced throughout vanilla and you never knew if next patch would jump your class up or down in the sims.
But ya I would love it if every say 6months or so after phase 6 drops they would do a balance patch and switch up who the best classes are.
Considering the balance for this game won’t ever change and the people at the top will likely stay there for all eternity of Classic, I definitely see Warrior, Rogue, and Mage being in the Top 3 but I’m not sure which particular order.
Over time, this will only be reinforced as more people get to endgame and the realities of Vanilla’s class balance begin to dawn on people not already in the know.
It’ll be very interesting to see what raiding and high end PvP looks like a few months from now.
On one hand, I’m not looking forward to Hunter DPS being trash in Raids forever. On the other, at the very least in Vanilla, every class has SOMETHING they excel at. And every class is needed for a raid, even if some only number 1-2 instead of 5-8.
If they did, I probably wouldn’t complain. What will be most interesting to see is how opinions of all this stuff changes while the game’s been out for a few months to a year.
Don’t get me wrong, I know what I’m getting into, and I’m signing up for 1.12 forever. And I plan on making the best of that.
I just think many people are in for a surprise. For instance druid players will still give the class a chance because they love the class and lore and didn’t experience it first hand in vanilla are in for a shock.
Similarly I think warriors may be also. Not because the class is bad but they do level the slowest in an already slow to level game. And they are the single most gear dependent class so while they can do yuuuge damage in PVP and pve, they can also suck hardcore if not geared.
I never really saw the big deal. You do quests, you kill stuff, you eat/bandage when hp are low, just like everyone else. Every few levels you gather up all the dungeon quests and go tank the next 5-man. Don’t think it’s much different than any other class. It’s a slow process for everyone. Warrior being significantly slower than everyone else is pretty overblown, IMO. But maybe I’m just tougher than most.
You are thinking of a different era of the WoW Warrior.
In Vanilla/Classic, Charge can only be used out of combat. Any ranged player who is awake can put a Warrior in combat and keep them there to prevent the Charge.
The only gap closer Warriors have in Vanilla/Classic that can be used in combat is Intercept, which is on a 30 second CD, requires Berserker Stance and costs 10 Rage.
Intervene didn’t come until TBC, and Heroic Leap until WotLK (along with in combat Charge).
Unnecessary for leveling out in the world questing and grinding. The problem isn’t really Warriors, but making bad pulls. People who Charge into packs are going to have a really rough time.
PVP as Arms without a pocket healer isn’t that bad, not much different than it was in TBC without getting Cyclone spammed. Even if you had a pocket healer, you aren’t going to do all that super cool Warrior without top end gear. Without pocket heals, just follow the deathball of friendlies around and chop fools.
without top end gear. Without pocket heals, just follow the deathball of friendlies around and chop fools.