I’d check the class discords first as thats where a lot of the theorycrafting has been going on
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I have all my builds screen captured and ready to go!
I saved the import strings from beta. Same for my UI layout. ;D
Really not liking the unnecessarily complex system at all. 
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Can’t wait to get on there and set everything for all my characters.
And then go farm for the Headless Horseman mount. 
Too bad I play ret and prot. You guys did a garbage job with our tree, but a great job ignoring thousands of posts of feedback so you could make crunch time.
Good riddance to the MoP - SL tree.
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No, there are still late fees. And youre still expected to rewind.
Yeah, I agree. It is a bit overwhelming.
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Except that it isn’t?
There’s going to be 1 BIS talent tree for every situation, lets be honest. It’s an illusion of choice, if you don’t pick the BIS in M+ and raiding, you will be a carry and bad peformance.
And here I am switching to Prot pally for the expansion and have what talents I want all picked out. I guess we counter balance each other. You hate it I love it.
This is it! This is what we’ve been waiting for for 10 years people! No more panda trees!
Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom
Wait is this the real post or is the other one?
Wanting a similar level of care and attention to the tree that say Warriors or Shaman got doesn’t feel unreasonable.
I didn’t say it was or wasn’t. I just don’t see any glaring issues and I am able to get everything I really want. Sure I’d skip the horse ability completely but you need to grab it to get further down the tree but whatever.
I’m glad you can enjoy your happy meal when others got a steak dinner. Considering we are paying the same amount.
What is it about the ret and prot trees you don’t like? Just not able to make a build you want? I’d love to have all the things myself but I did have to make a few choices here and there.
For Prot the loss of Holy power generation from AS is the big one. It slows down how the spec plays a huge amount and starvers holy power resources. You lose Word of Glory because you need it to shield of the righteous. Them wanting SotR to be stronger is fine but the spec has had that set up before; but in order for it to play they had to take it off holy power (Such as Prot from Legion and BFA).
Art of war nerfs is horrendous. Just because they want us to press consecration. Also Art of war slow the spec down and directly trickles down to at least 4 other end talents such as wake of ashes resets and even more.
Auras are still useless. Our mobility is trash, on the gcd, and takes 4 talent points to have less than we have live. Ret still can’t justify and invite to a group over Holy/prot or any other dps because it brings nothing.
And I could get over all of that. If they had given us a leap or Falling Sword so weren’t stuck with just the dumb horse.
I was wondering if removing AS as an HP builder was a balancing thing. Looking like we’re going to be tossing hammers alot more. More self heal abilities in the base paladin tree may make using HP on SotR rather than WoG not be a huge deal. Stronger defense means less healing needed. Will need to play around with things to see how it shakes out since I wasn’t a lucky beta access person. Curious on how dusk and dawn will play out as well.
The loss of HP from AS is literally negligable with blessed hammer now. (Where yoy can generate 3 hp completely out of combat, which is nice.) We get more CDs to smoothe out our damage as well as shielding from AS which feels amazing. Especially with the flame damage to AS + DT with everything grouped, i feel like a god. Im loving prot. Hated the prot tree a month ago but they fixed a lot of issues.
Protection aura continues to be one of the strongest spells in the game. Most high end players agree.
General tree is still sad on top. All the points about the damn pony sucks. Cant comment on ret.