Or instead of removing more playstyle from the game just preach for the transmog option?
I still disagree, if your using a 2h your using a 2h. But that’s at least requesting new things be added instead of stuff being removed.
Do I look like a mythic raider to you? Or even heroic? I ain’t never seeing that axe xD.
That’s why we’re the stealthiest
That’s why I said “If you have to”. I don’t mind SMF existing but if the cost of having it is never being able to transmog the 2-handers, then I’d be more than glad to see it go away.
You don’t have to! There is a chance of the axe dropping in any difficulties and the more you kill Fyrakk, the more likely you are to drop it. Even in LFR, which is prob lot lower chance than Heroic but it’s still a good chance. In a month and a half you should probably have it I believe.
No idea why it isn’t allowed. I’m guessing it has to be a technical limitation - you can’t make it so only one spec can transmog one type of thing. And you can’t let everyone do it because of how it could impact the animations of classes that use 2-handed and don’t dual-wield.
Like an Arms Warrior with a Transmogged 1-hander would use the 2-handed animation and look ridiculous or gamebreaking.
What I don’t get is why they can’t just balance SMF. You just run a Sim with a Warrior in Normal Raid level gear, wielding the same i-lvl 2 handers and 1 handers, note the damage difference, and just make SMF add the damage difference along with a tiny Stamina buff. Not saying it’d be 100% perfect in all situations, but that would certainly make it viable this raid tier… something it hasn’t been in years… and it would take me 30 minutes tops. Probably closer to 10.
Not really relevant until you get the ax though.
SMF isn’t “destined to be weaker forever”. It’s literally trivial to make it objectively better than TG just by tweaking the numbers to the point it outperforms. Whatever it gives now, add a 0 to the end of it. Not enough? Add another 0.
Honestly I only had Fury and Frost specifically in mind, since they’re the only specs that has the freedom to have both.
But then it adds another problem, if it’s not weaker it gotta be a lot better, I really don’t think SMF will ever be balanced. It will be either weaker, slightly weaker, or a lot stronger, it has to because the stat differential. And even if, miraculously they managed to make it be the same thing as TG, this would bring tons of other problems. What about the 1-handed weapons with effects each season has? Or the 2 handed Legendary type of weapon, or any weapon with an effect? How do they keep the balance with these things in mind? Also that would mean 4 different weapons to farm, it’s like triple the effort (mind you that being a Fury is already a bit painful because of that) to get the BiS options to, in the end, be purely a cosmetic change. Isn’t it a LOT easier and BETTER to just add the options for mogs? It is possible, as we can already see with artifacts, wouldn’t make much of a difference and there’s nothing that would break the game in any way if it was simply as that.
Yeah I wish TG and SMF were roughly equal so chosing between the two was a legit choice.
Yeah I figured - I’m just guessing it’s a technical limitation on their end. Like I can’t think of an instance where only one specific spec is allowed to transmog certain things. It seems like everyone can transmog or no one can.
I get the argument against designing that into the game if they have to basically overhaul the entire Transmog system to allow that kinda coding or whathaveyou.
Still though, no reason SMF has to be so far behind. Give me Simcraft, an ilvl 460 Warrior, with ilvl 460 2handers and 1handers… and 10 minutes. I’ll fix it for them or at least have it better balanced than they have in years. There’s just no excuse for it.
I agree. Inherently TG and SMF will never be balanced just like frost DKs will always have a better option between 2H and DW.
The issue is “forcing” a side and ideally, only allowing that side and building the spec to work with that chosen design paradigm. Like I said though, the issue isn’t that SMF will always be the weaker choice because, like I proved, it absolutely can be easily tweaked to be made better…and it can be made so brokenly good warriors will literally equip gray 1H weapons over the tippy top 2H ones if Blizzard so chose for them too. It’s a numbers game and numbers are easy to manipulate.
Thematically, I like SMF on some of my races and TG on others (and I have many characrters). My absolute favorite model in the game is the undead female…but I am not too fond of the undead female 2H animations…but dual wield is awesome and SMF looks better on their smaller frames than DW 2H imo. But on a beefcake Tauren, it just seems far more fitting to be wielding chonky 2H weapons.
I would prefer that we could toggle something and make all one handers show on our back. Monks show one handers on their backs, warriors should be able too.
Pft yeah. Tell that to my Evokers legendary.
You have this weird fixation on SMF being the reason you can’t mog a 2h into a 1h weapon, and that just isn’t the case.
When blizzard decided on the transmog restrictions they weren’t sitting there saying “You know what? Warriors have SMF so nobody should be allowed to not 2h to 1h. They can just play SMF.”
You can’t mog a 2h weapon into a 1h weapon because it’s a 2h weapon, SMF has nothing to do with it. It’s the community who tells you to just go SMF if you want to use 1h weps to which I agree.
Leave SMF alone in your crusade for using 1h weapons though. Enough cool things have been taken from warriors, we don’t need more taken.
That’s a new one for me.
I would like to mog with a two-hander and a one-hander. The idea of the warrior fighting with both their main weapon and side-arm is cool to me.
I’ve got a fury warrior that uses SMF. That char is also a Worgen and it’s the best way I can fulfill the fantasy of being a werewolf fighting with his claws (Wiley’s Backscratcher is my go-to mog on that char for that). I don’t do any high end content with him though, so it really isn’t an issue for me personally.
That being said, as it seems there are other folks that like SMF, going by some of the replies to this post, would it not be a better recommendation to call for a buff to SMF rather than a removal?
Because it was Blizzard’s response to the transmog requests back in BfA. Again, I don’t mind SMF existing, even if it’s weaker or stronger than TG. But I feel like the only reason SMF exists is purely for the people that wanted to play 1-handed Fury, so it makes sense that they wouldn’t give the option to tmog because there IS other ways y’know? Also if SMF is the same of TG, we would have SO many weapons to farm…
It’s literally better to just let people focus on the playstyle they want and also transmog what they want, if this doesn’t make the class/spec unrecognizable. Because I understand that 2 hander users shouldn’t be able to tmog 1 hander, but in Fury’s case it can easily swap if they wish, why not make it a cosmetic option too, specially if they’re almost the same?
It’s just if it’s a condition to not add the tmog possibility. Again I don’t mind SMF existing, if that’s the only thing stopping Blizzard of adding this feature, I wouldn’t mind seeing it gone, that’s all.
Honestly it’s a bit shocking the amount of people here playing SMF when most of my xp in game and in warr forums prefer TG a lot more. Buffing SMF, imo, wouldn’t fix the problem. We would have to farm a lot more weapons, use a lot more resources and grind a lot more than other classes, not to mention the amount of balancing the weapons issue that would eventually cause. If it was a mog option, if either SMF was stronger/weaker than TG, wouldn’t be an issue to both users.
Got a source for that? A source where blizzard said SMF was because of transmog? My guess is no. No you don’t. Because you are speculating based on what you think.
Also SMF wasn’t added in BFA, it has been a warrior talent since cataclysm. And transmog wasn’t added until the final patch of Cataclysm.
We had 2 years of SMF without transmog existing. Further debunking your speculation. Fight for your xmog all you want, leave SMF out of it.
Because if people can do them with Legion weapons, it shouldn’t be a problem otherwise. Some one-handers look big enough to be two-handers and some one-handers big enough to be two-handers. It allows me to transmog what I can loot.
I can’t guarantee 100% that Blizzard added exclusively for transmog reasons, as i’m sure you can’t 100% guarantee me they didn’t, Blizzard rarely say in their blue notes/patch notes the reasoning or their intention of why they’re adding stuff. As I too have reasoning to assume that, it wasn’t something out of nowhere.
Bro, stop misleading, you know that’s not what I meant. Obviously SMF was added before BFA, but you do know that SMF was once merged in a single passive with TG in WoD, this passive was removed during Legion when they brought TG back and added the artifacts with the whole class reworks, but didn’t for SMF. You do know that, and you also know that during Legion AND BfA it was not added until the final patches of BfA (or SL pre-patch, I couldn’t find a precise source), so yeah I do have all the reasons to believe Blizzard didn’t think about adding SMF back for gameplay reasons, specially cause ever since it’s removal Warriors had ask for SMF back and for tmog options (you can look the posts in Warr forum of that time). Also the last patches of BfA softened mog restrictions: the hide(shirtless) options for transmogs, artifact transmog idependently of your weapon and single shoulder option. Tthis would also explain why Blizzard never bothered to buff SMF and make it better than TG, even YEARS after it’s re-release.
Yeah, but there was no need for asking for mog options if there was no transmog in game, It wasn’t a possibility at all so why would they think of that? And for the third time, I don’t mind SMF existing. The best option would be just the mog possibility so both SMF and TG players could choose without any fuss. Yes I do believe SMF is a problematic talent but as long as I’m not forced/pushed over to choose it, I don’t mind it being in the game. I just want the transmog to be an option, with SMF or not.
pulls up rocking chair
Well you see miss glowie goat lady, BACK IN MY DAY!
Fury warriors used one handed and there was this wild newfound idea that fury warriors actually would wear a combination of both plate AND leather armor, you see, leather usually came with more agility, and attack power as a secondary stat, so warriors would want that so they could get even more crit.
BUt then blizzard changed it, for god knowns why and…Continues to ramble in old man for another hour