I post FACTS… you dont…
Meaningless facts, yes.
How is the prevalence of high speed internet now vs yesteryear relevant to the game? The goal has always been NoChanges, and you want them just because your internet is better now.
Melee leeway is part of the game. It was the same in 04 as now.
2004 Dial Up DL Speed 56 kbps
2004 Broadband DL Speed 1 MBps
2019 Dial Up DL Speed 56 kbps
2019 Broadband DL Speed 1000 MBps
2004 Dial Up UL Speed 56 kbps
2004 Broadband UL Speed 300 kbps
2019 Dial Up UL Speed 56 kbps
2019 Broadband UL Speed 10 MBps
Do I need to do the math for you so you can see HOW at ONE TIME leeway was needed and how NOW today it isnt. But you are a bitter #nochages clinger who probably isnt even going to play classic.
One weird thing that sticks out to me - with a standard 1 yard blade, who can hit someone 5 yards away?
From a design perspective, “leeway” is already built in to melee range of 5 yards - that’s 15 feet away. This is so you don’t have to stand on top of someone to hit them. Weird you’d need more than that.
Just a weird design choice to have padding at the base level to account for minor differences in transform data between two objects due to networking - then add more on top of that.
Looking at Vanilla videos now and classic videos there’s a huge difference. I don’t play a mage but watching aage get slugged from down the block in Classic to kiting just outside of arms reach just fine in Vanilla videos without getting smacked.
This leeway door swings both ways. Can’t wait to slap DoTs on folks from Ratchet when I see “the crossroads is under attack”.
Layering… so you are NOT going to play…
It’s not about what you FEEL is needed.
It’a bout preserving the game.
But you are a bitter #nochages clinger who probably isnt even going to play classic.
Nice personal attacks. Why would I be bitter when I’m winning? ![:slightly_smiling_face:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slightly_smiling_face.png?v=6" ":slightly_smiling_face:")
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Facts do not matter to the #nochanges crowd
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I’ve never said I wouldn’t play if there were changes.
Facts do not matter to the #nochanges crowd
Funny coming from the guy ignoring that Blizz has a reference client with the 1.12 data.
While you ignore an ex dev that says that reference client had “holes” that needed to be filled.
Don’t be so selective. Video proof shows it wasn’t nearly as bad in Vanilla as it is in classic - this wouldn’t be an issue that was brought up by multiple testers if that was the case.
Genuine question for you out of curiosity:
Which is more game-changing? Removing potentially unneeded tech, or preserving it and making the game far more difficult for hunters and other ranged classes in pvp?
Leeway in it’s current form warps PVP in favor of melee. Is that not a larger change than removing unnecessary tech?
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There wasn’t layering in 04, but you have no problem with that. Hypocrite much?
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Classic: https://youtu.be/67Z8MTAX-nQ
Vanilla: https://youtu.be/yMeBA0D1LJY
Is anyone besides me starting to figure out that blizzdaddy is purposely sabotaging classic all because J Alan Brack does not want to eat his words (You think you do but you don’t)?
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Is that not a larger change than removing unnecessary tech?
No, because the tech was in place in 04. There’s no change being made by leaving it in place. Players simply perceive it better due to improved internet.
There wasn’t layering in 04, but you have no problem with that. Hypocrite much?
I don’t like layering, but I know a lost cause when I see one.
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The thing about an experiment intended to show a dsicrepancy is that unless you replicate the circumstances exactly, it’s already a failure. That’s why when Blizz debunked elite mob damage, they replicated the player in their entirety for the test.
It is in the client. I do not ignore that… Just like I do not ignore the MASSIVE growth in technology that allows you to connect to the game servers at a speed that is 1000 times faster than the average player could back in 2004.
Just like spell batching… it is archaic because of 2004 client and server technology and should be gone. If they can emulate spell batching like it was back then fine… But there is nothing they can do to emulate what leeway was put in to combat.
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So hypocrite. Thanks for admitting it.
I was just thinking this today… but then Blizz also said they will give language servers in the EU after saying they would not.
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So the PVP balance shifting is an acceptable consequence of preserving old code? Not trying to snark or anything at all, I’m just curious about opposing mindsets.
Look dude I’ll level with you here. I do personally feel that the leeway thing is stupid. Same for spell batching. But slippery slope is a real thing. BFA is the result of slippery slope.
Personally I’d say yes. And that is of course opinion on my part.
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