Lava Burst in the year of our lord 2024

Lava burst is one of the most reliable sources of dopamine that any video has ever provided. I love lava burst, my allegiance is to lava burst. That said, my dearly beloved meatball has fallen on hard times, and there is much to say about the set up of the elemental talent tree cordoning off fire and nature, or the occasional over reliance a la season 3 and 4 of dragonflight, but I want to address two points: Crit scaling, and stormbringer

Crit Scaling: In the latter seasons of dragonflight when our gameplay was dominated by lava burst, crit became a nearly useless stat, because lvb is a guaranteed crit. Similar abilities exist, and similar problems have been adressed, in this very expansion:

  1. Paladins for instance had a talent guaranteeing crits on Hammer of Wrath, and this talent, and surely others (I’m not a paladin scientist) led to ret paladin not scaling with secondary stats well. This was remedied by making the talent buff Hammer of Wrath, so that it may still benefit from crit.
  2. Chaos bolt is a guaranteed crit, but does bonus damage for critting. I am not a warlock scientist, I think destro still has crit scaling problems, but chaos bolt and lvb share the core functionality of crit chance, increasing crit damage, because the spell is a guaranteed critial strike
  3. Havoc dhs have a talent which adds universal crit scaling damage based on critical strike chance, a passive which is pretty delicious, and serves to make crit a bit more juicy for the spec.
  4. The kicker, Ascendance. Ascendance as a cooldown has a plethora of issues, for me, mostly visual. It does however increase lvb damage by your critical strike. This has not historically been enough to make crit good for the fire build, but at least it exists.

Lava Burst Crit Scaling should be practically baseline. This passive should be glued to lvb like chaos bolt, or should be a routing passive near the top of the tree. This could even serve as a tuning knob for fire builds, if the crit scaling isnt 1:1. It is awful when an ordinarily cool secondary stat has almost no synergy with a core part of your class. For the love of god, let Lava Burst be a powerful ability again. (while not part of my tangent, ideally one not spammed like late dragonflight, kinda kills the vibe)

My secondary tangent, Thundering Blast. What is thundering blast you might ask? Well, in Star Wars the old republic, the devs behind the game had the bright idea to yoink Cataclysm class design for a number of their specs. Lightning sorcerer, essentially a reskin of ele shaman, has in place of Lava Burst, Thundering Blast (which coincidentally has crit damage scaling baked in). You put a dot on a target, cast your spell, it crits. Big dopamine. I bring this up to ask again for a similar ability in the stormbringer tree. I am not a big fan of tempest (or the spammy nature of its gameplay), and the general sequestering of lvb to be an activator for primordialy anomaly. A number of issues sideline lava burst, but changing it to a nature spell, big lighting boom, tempest, a… thundering blast, whatever, would go a long way to activating one of the best aspects of ele shaman.

Tempest should replace lava burst and crit with you have lightning rod on the target. give it 2 charges, and a chance to reset on Lightning bolt or CL cast.

would be really cool. change how it resets, and how you line up its crit.

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  • critical strike chance should boost lava burst damage same as chaos bolt. The fact this is still tied to Ascendance is insane.

I’m not sure it that would make crit the best stat but it would certainly make it less terrible.

I was in favor of lowering sources for lava surge procs, but that is because I thought lava burst would hit harder to compensate and feel a little closer to the original version of the spell. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to hit very hard.

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Both Fire and Lighting build scale pretty well with Crit already.

Lava Burst/flame shock maintenance has become a cumbersome mechanic.

Why have the extra button and flame ascendant at all?

It would have made sense if you could have a separate fire spec, but whether or not you buff your meatball, you still must cast lightning, and if you pump up your lightning, you still want to prob and instant cast of your meatball.

It never really added depth, it simply added a cumbersome alternative single target channeled spell that made shaman rotations more complicated.

Now, it’s true that the meatball may not be competitive with lightning bolt at all, but your still going to flame shock to proc it.

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Oh? Well that’s good to hear. I thought lightning did but didn’t know it was good at all for fire.

ele feels goofy when lava burst is as weak as it is right now

hammer of wrath is an executa that u can use at any %hp with wings

chaos bolt requieres embers…it doesnt have a CD but its limited by resources

LvB doesnt need resources just a dot that u need to keep 100% , so its always up anyway, and has a low CD and has reset procs make LvB instant cast

if u want LvB to feel good it needs to replace Elemental blast

Earth shock for lightning , LvB for fire as finisher , u want that? no1 wants that…

It’s stronger for Fire actually. During Ascendance, Lava Burst’s damage is increased by an equal amount to your crit chance. EX: If you have 35% crit, Lava Burst’s damage is buffed by 35% during Ascendance and DRE procs.

Lava burst is too weak period in pvp. Sure it puts some pressure on players but good luck killing anyone even during ascendance. I’ve switched to lightning for now and become a turret because at least if i get a chance to cast I can kill someone. It sucks for high movement or if you’re focused but it’s the only option we have to kill anyone.