That’s not how it reads at all. It reads that in order to get the title of warchief, she had to make allies. Like working with Varian, the ally she had to make. Which answers the question about why Sylvy worked with Varian.
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Generally I do agree with this statement. Sylvie banshee’d away because her goals had been fulfilled, she even says as much in the Loyalist ending. At worst, as she herself stated, Saurfang’s actions “ended the war prematurely” … but by that point she had already apparently reached her kill-quota. She had her own little kill quest to go on, one that apparently buffed the crap out of her, Nate, and her Primes.
Just about the only thing I can give credit to Saurfang to was poking her triggers just enough to get her mask to slip for a moment. That initial “The Horde is Nothing” outburst. That monologue afterwards however was absolutely deliberate. It really did look like she thought it over and thought “Meh, its not worth the effort to try to salvage this. The Forsaken and Horde don’t hold enough value now to put in the work to keep them at this point”.
So … she cut ties and bailed.
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I am saddened that Saurfang never had to stand for his crimes.
At no point did anyone challenge him for what he had done.
And his great “sacrifice” amounted to a Sylvanas outburst. Pathetic.
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Yeah, exactly. The Horde, the Forsaken, those were tools she used to accomplish her goals. Once keeping those tools was more of a hassle than they were worth, she had no problem monologuing, banshee’ing away and moving forward with her plans without setback.
In a perfect world, would she have kept her tools around during the next step of her 5000 IQ, 12D chess masterplan? Yeah, maybe. Maybe not. They clearly weren’t important to the next step, nor were they important after the kill-quest was complete because we’re getting Shadowlands.
There’s just no scenario there where it can be argued someone outplayed her.
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The thing that confuses me on the whole, ‘Sylvanas masterminding the Broken Shore’ is that it flies in the face of the entire Rogue Order Hall Campaign, which explicitly explains how the Alliance and Horde forces were overrun there.
I can get Mueh’zala taking the initiative on clouding Vol’jin’s mind mid-fight, but how in the hells would Sylvanas be able to manipulate the Legion’s actions (The other question would be why the Jailer would want to risk Sargeras winning if the Broken Shore went badly… worse)
EDIT: Less giant word block.
Yeah that doesn’t make any sense though I can see Blizzard revealing that it was always Sylvanas’s intention to have the Horde retreat from the field of battlefield and abandoned the Alliance. Another way to make her more evil by acting as if the death of Varian was guaranteed the moment she got wind of the Burning Legion appearing on the Broken Shore.
The Jailer goes in power for every soul sent into the Maw and every life ended by the Legion is another soul sent to the Maw. Thus the Jailer could took the risk.
To be honest I just wonder who will betray each other first Sylvanas or the Jailer?
Calling it now - Sylvanas will betray the jailor at the very end and demonstrate she was playing double agent all along to save Azeroth and earn salvation.
It feels like it flies in the face of a lot of things. It’s a bad retcon, and an unneeded one made just to make Sylvanas look smarter and more sinister. I’m really hoping the devs walk back this idea or have just overstated her level of involvement.
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I’ll vomit in disgust.
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Nah. Much more likely is Sylvanas will betray the Jailor, because even he was but another one of her pawns. Her multidimentional chess game is too complex even for an ancient and powerful being of death to possibly comprehend. Even serving the Jailor is but a single part of a much longer game she’s playing.
I’m not saying this will happen. I’m not saying it should happen. But if it does? I called my shot now and get to shower y’all with “I told you so” for years.
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yea ill commit sudoku if this happens.
Please dont jinx it, i almost vomit when she beat bolvar with ease after playing us for chumps, i dont need another one of those.
It doesn’t matter what I’d say because it’s obvious that it will happen
It’s always like this.
There’s going to be Horde story, it’s not going to be an Alliance expansion… did no one else see the statement that Vol’jin is going to be on a quest to be reborn as a Loa? I’ll need to find it again…
But I’d pretty sure a long time Horde character becoming a literal god is pretty good content.
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Can I interrupt this whinefest and mention that no one bothered to make a bingo sheet for yet another developer “interview?”
Also, “tugging on heartstrings” means more loss and suffering. Figures. Those hacks can only destroy and know no other trick.
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This is an actual transcript of Danuser’s answer, not the paraphrasing done by Wowhead:
- Obviously we had- we've seen Sylvanas through the course of Legion, and that intro cinematic, right, when the airships and everything and she's kind of giving Varian a hand. So, as we get into the Shadowlands we're going to be finding out a lot of Sylvanas' motivation and what her relationship with the Jailer is and when it started and we'll find out that it actually leads back quite a bit earlier in the timeline. You may be familiar with a story called Edge of Night in which Sylvanas lept off the top of Icecrown. And you saw part of the story there. But that was kind of the start of her interactions with the Jailer. And as for why Sylvanas would lend an arrow to aid Varian, there was a long term strategy where Sylvanas needed to get into a position where she could take over the mantle of Warchief, and she couldn't do that if she was aggro and everyone was against her, so she had to bide her time, and now we're seeing the fruition of that in Shadowlands.
Possibly through her playing Varimathras, who knew about her plans and yelled about them in Antorus before they even happened.
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That does not in any way say or imply it was part of her plan for him to die. It states she needed people not to hate her in order to become Warchief, so he made fake friends with Varian to meet that goal.
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And if you see my response to Ninh that is also in that post you quoted you’ll also note that Varimathras did imply that Sylvanas intended to betray the Alliance and get their leadership killed same as she was planning to steal the title of Warchief.
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Dude.
Varimathras died before she met the Jailer.
Varimathras possibly met the Jailer before Sylvanas did. Varimathras was involved with forging the Helm of Domination in Torghast.
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Demons don’t go to the Shadowlands at all. Also:
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The Maw is a mystery even to ancient ones. Nothing is known, because nothing has ever escaped the maw. Journey into the Maw is One Way.:
No, he wasn’t. The Runesmith’s model is on wowhead right now.