Just in case anyone is thinking that the kingdom is inching towards democracy, the Mind Control Magisters are still very much in force.
Quelâthalas is basically a junta or a military dictatorship nowadays. Lorâthemar even holds more power over his people than any king or queen before him.
It appears to be stable.
I would assume of Lorâthemar died, Halduron would be the one to take over as the next highest ranking military official in QT, and would follow down. I say this because when Lorâthemar left Silvermoon during one of the short stories, Halduron was left in charge, not Rommath.
Having Mind Control Magisters at your beck and call keeps it that way.
This is not quite true. Power is spread between the Farstriders, the Bloodknights, and the Magisters. Lorâthemar only holds as much power as those three factions permit him to; his job is more of a mediator and council head with some degree of veto powers.
This is a bit disingenuous; as far as we know they ceased doing that after Lorâthemar took over. In theory the people are pretty well settled and much of Silvermoon should be rebuilt with a stable power supply and over a decade. It is hard to say, though, as Quelâthalas is still in its BC era time bubble.
That doesnât sound right. Pretty sure Lorâthemar has granted authority over those three groups. Hence his ability to order them around.
Mind Control Magisters are rather handy for that purpose.
I think that magisters mind controlling certain members of Thalassian society that threaten to destabilize Quelâthalas (for example, hyping up a crowd to start a riot/march through the streets of Silvermoon) is something that probably still happens every once in a while.
However, I disagree with the idea that you seem to be implying, that he has Halduron and Rommath mind controlled to have complete control over the Thalassian state. Besides the fact that theyâre basically the closest thing he has to friends, heâs not an emotionless dictator who has people removed from his inner circle or mind wiped whenever they disagree with him. Heâs had arguments and disagreements with both several times and they still retain their free will and arenât just puppets.
Just this expansion, Rommath was firmly against Alleria being allowed access to the Sunwell. Lorâthemar overrules him because heâs Regent Lord, but Rommath makes his opinion known without fear of being mind controlled back in line.
They cant bring back the monarcy as then everyone between the throne and sylvanas windrunner would come down with a sudden case of death as would ant critics
This is not quite true. Power is spread between the Farstriders, the Bloodknights, and the Magisters. Lorâthemar only holds as much power as those three factions permit him to; his job is more of a mediator and council head with some degree of veto powers.
Thatâs not true, Lorâthemar blanatly overrulled Rommath in regards to sending blood elves to Northrend. If Rommath had the power to deny the Kirin Tor his magisters, you betcha he wouldâve, but he didnât, so Lorâthemar can overrule them.
Also, Blood Knights work for the Magisters, they are not their own department. Rommath is technically Liadrinâs boss. After Lorâthemar over ruled Rommath, he ordered him to summon Blood Knights to go to Northrend. Halduron also have some authority over Blood Knights, as the Blood Knight in charge of the blood elf forces during Theramoreâs fall was stated to be Halduronâs soldier.
Also, Blood Knights work for the Magisters, they are not their own department. Rommath is technically Liadrinâs boss. After Lorâthemar over ruled Rommath, he ordered him to summon Blood Knights to go to Northrend. Halduron also have some authority over Blood Knights, as the Blood Knight in charge of the blood elf forces during Theramoreâs fall was stated to be Halduronâs soldier.
True facts, but I wonder if that situation has changed. The Blood Knights are very prominent in WoD and Legion, and Liadrin seems to have been promoted to a prominent leadership role. She is clearly solely in charge, at least in the field, in those campaigns.
She may still be lower in the chain of command, the immediate leader of the Blood Knights and acts as field commander but the entire organization is just part of the military under the command of the three to varying degrees among them.
I feel like if they ever bother revisiting Silvermoonâs political hierarchy, Liadrin/Halduron/Rommath will all be presented as equals.
Maybe liadrin higher since she is the only one out of the three who actually participates in battles
Even if that was true, I donât think Blood elves value being on the frontlines as a trait needed in a leader. They arenât like orcs or tauren where thatâs strongly valued.
But anywho Halduron and Rommath have served as front line combatants before. Rommath was our leader during the Purge of Dalaran, fighting the Silver Covenant. Halduron served during the Zandalari uprising in Zulâaman and fought on the frontlines of the Third Invasion as a Champion like Liadrin did. They both also served as field commanders during the Isle of Thunder campaign.
I feel like if they ever bother revisiting Silvermoonâs political hierarchy, Liadrin/Halduron/Rommath will all be presented as equals
Possible. She stood with the other leaders of the blood elves during the heritage. It wouldnât surprise me.
Liadrin may not have the highest role but she is still the most powerful horde character
Iâm terrible at reading sarcasm or whatever on the internet, so I may have misunder stood.
But we actually do know who the most powerful member of the Horde is, itâs Sylvanas according to A Good War.
But we actually do know who the most powerful member of the Horde is, itâs Sylvanas according to A Good War.
Or Thrall, if he gets his mojo back.
And rejoins the Horde.
Okay, Sylvanas.
Or Thrall, if he gets his mojo back.
And rejoins the Horde.
Okay, Sylvanas
Thrall definitely was the most powerful member before he killed Garrosh, but after having his crisis of faith, not so much.
He could reclaim that spot though. He got that powerful once, he could attain that again.
But since sheâs the subject of the thread, Iâm not sure where Iâd put Liadrin. Probably close to, but not quite at, Turalyon level. A strong second tier paladin.
Amongst Horde characters, sheâs probably comparable to characters such as Nathanos, Rokhan, and Rommath.
One character we havenât discussed is Talanji, who seems to have some serious juice. She might be comparable to Anduin.
We donât need Lady Liadrin to be Queen of Quelâthalas, but her and Lorthamar finally admitting they have feelings for one another and getting into a relationship would be nice.
Not to mention it would be great to have a prominent female from Qeulâthalas not run off to marry/date a human. Even our former Prince fell for the human potential trap, even if she chose monster instead of him.
Not to mention it would be great to have a prominent female from Qeulâthalas not run off to marry/date a human. Even our former Prince fell for the human potential trap, even if she chose monster instead of him.
I agree. It is a small and very petty detail, but it is true. 4 of the most prominent children of Silvermoon fell in love with another race. The 3 Windrunner sisters and their Prince. Their Prince was even rebuffed!
The story makes it seems as if all Anduin need do is send some naked Humans into Quelthalas, and it would become The Kingdom of the Half Elves within a generation.
It would be good to have Lorthemar and Liadrin marry, have kids, and rule Quelthalas. To have a Blood Elf relationship on the level of M+T for the Night Elves and T+A for the Orcs. It almost seems like the only reason Thalassian Elves mate with each other is laziness. The moment they move their lazy rumps enough to leave their land, they fall in love with any other race they encounter.
I see many folks like to âshipâ Lorthemar and Thalyssra ⌠she is nice and all, but I think that feeds into the idea that Blood Elves find each other undesirable mates.
Perhaps Queen Liadrin wonât fly. But I am down for her marrying Lorthemar and becoming first lady, while maintaining her current position in the Sindorei hierarchy.
I want the old Blood Knights back.
Blood Elves⌠no crippling magic addiction that could destroy them, no destroyed Sunwell(for long), Light worship revived, not refugees anymore⌠no Kaelâthas even.
âHow do you want your Blood Elf? Like Warcraft III?â
âNah, just make them an Alliance race then flag it as Hordeâ.
I think liadrin beating sylvanas is actually a possibility. Itâs just hard to tell how powerful sylvanas really is but we know both of them can fly and liadrin can strike a huge demon and destroy it in 2 seconds. We have also seen sylvanas mind control and go in a form of mist so I would say sylvanas but I wouldnât be surprised if liadrin won since sheâs a paladin
Gotta be honest, I doubt Liadrin could win at all.
A Good War painted Sylvanas as being the only member of the Horde who could possibly fight either Tyrande or Malfurion (though not both at the same time). In fact, her primary duty in the entire War of Thorns was to hunt either of them down if they were involved. If Liadrin was near that level, I would presume they would at least mention her.