Lack of Human & Alliance Villains

[Naham-argent-dawn]

Gennjamin Greymane’s a gruff old furry boomer I don’t much care for. That’s about it and even he appeared to be cured of undead racism after the Gathering, because he saw a Forsaken get heartbroken and slink away instead of murdering. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think that was literally the reasoning. “Wait these people I hate have emotions? Racism cured!”.

I think it was that and watching Sylvanas slaughter them all, even those who were still loyal to her. It’s something I got to watch family members do back in the 90s when I had my own “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner” moment.

[Delgrog-bloodhoof]

Lack of Human & Alliance Villains

Arthas says hi.

[Reallyhappy-dalaran (Reallyhappy)]

The general idea of an Alliance villain is there a villain who does their villainy while being active in the alliance. Garrosh was more of a Horde Villain then Gul’dan, as despite both technically being villains originating from the horde, in WoW Garrosh did his villainy while he was an active member, while the Gul’dan used in WoW was not.

Plenty of former alliance members betrayed the alliance to join a villainous faction (Though i can’t name any big ones since Cataclysm) but very few are an active member of the alliance. Sylvanas, Gallywix and Garrosh are all integral parts of the horde, and have been made villains to at least part of the playerbase while serving in the horde. They are horde Villains as they are villains that use the horde as a tool for their wickedness. Arthas would be a Scourge villain, Gul’dan a Legion one.

The desire for some truly villainous alliance members is mostly out of a desire to hate something on the alliance other then the institution. While many people would be perfectly willing to fight the alliance because blizzard told them to, many others want an actual reason to fight them. It also can be used as a means for the Alliance to do some morally dubious striking back at the horde, something a lot of alliance players seem to desire, so as long as we don’t force them to follow this Villainous Alliance Member, i think it would be a mutually beneficial arrangement.

[Zerde-sargeras (Zerde)]

Ever thought that if you lost the ‘moral highground’ you think you have, that would lead to doing exactly the same amount of damage you are so jealous of the Horde doing? That for an Alliance villain to turn heel that they would have to do exactly the kinds of unspeakable atrocities you claim to hate so much, but to the Horde?

You know Zerde, I think that’s what I don’t like about you as a poster. It’s not that you aren’t intelligent or that you don;t make good points. It’s that the very actions you claim to hate so much that the Horde does in the story are exactly the kinds of actions you salivate about getting the chance to do yourself.

Here I am saying soley that all I want is an Alliance leader to turn villain and all you can think about is how badly you want to damage the Horde as much as possible in return.

Oh I’m not jealous by any stretch. I am not generally interested in seeing the Alliance be turned into villian. BUT if one of our leaders have to end up that way, then I want the same treatment as the Horde and for the Horde to lose as much as we did.

As an fyi, I was never particularly fond of Jaina plans to drown Ogrimmar or to just shoot at un armed orcs just swimming to safety. Having said that I hope at the end of this war the Alliance managed to make sure the Horde never threatens the Alliance and to make those who actually cause this war to pay dearly.

Orlok’s right. You want it so bad you can have it. Take the story shaming you, degrading your favorite races and characters. Go ahead, we won’t stop you. You can have all the ‘Horde bias’ you are so envious of.

As long as the story balances how the factions are represented going forward I don’t care.

I have already said I really doubt Blizzard will ever even the scales. If that was the case, the factions would be dull and would have no point at all. I certain want what I think is best for the Alliance, as far as I’m concerned that is gonna come at the expense of the Horde. The faction are, and will always be a zero sum game.