My man said orange.
They aren’t even green.
I can help you man, I don’t mind a bit of charity work to get you better.
You can get better you just need to want to.
Ferals are fine as a DPS class. We are mid pack. Thing is we bring a TON of utility to the raid, thus making our mid pack DPS ranking justified.
You parse grey, no amount of buffs or nerf changes are going to make you good at dps. Your numbers will go up SLIGHTLY, and i do mean SLIGHTLY, but you will still get out performed by every other class that has a player who is even average at the game. And then you will blame the class/mechancis again rather than your own shortcomings.
The guild I raid in is not very good, we are about the same progression as your guild. Maybe a little further. But I parse purple and sometimes very low orange and I am consistantly 3rd or 4th highest DPS in our runs.
As Sunbro once said. Just get good.
LoL well no, feral is actually below multiple pvp specs at the moment and significantly below the next pve spec.
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Only because you read the logs incorrectly. The logs are showing ferals that also off tank and are not strictly dps. Thus our median is going to be thrown way off.
When looking at both 25 man normal and heoric, and we look around the 80th percentile. A solid purple parse nothing crazy, we are in line with Combat rogue, fire mage, affliction lock, enhance shaman, frost DK, feral druid, and shadow priest. Again mid pack, and that’s fine for the utility we bring. And it’s like that all the way down to the 50th percentile.
So it’s not until you start looking at duds who parse grey, or the crazy good players who are orange and above that you see feral not firmly sitting in mid tier.
The logs break out cat from bear.
Even if that were the case, my point still stands that feral from 80th percentile all the way down to 40th percentile (where most people play), is a mid tier dps class.
It’s not until you get to the 2 extremes that it falls out of mid tier.
Right except that it’s just not, it’s below pvp specs until you get into like 70th percentile.
Wrong my average parse right now 55.2 which is average and that isnt including the fights i have to tank in.
Also look at the 99% where blood DK is doing better then Feral!!! those are people playing at there optimal performance.
A tank spec shouldnt be doing more damage then a dps class!!!
the fact is that blizzard nerfed feral by 18.07% and that is a significant nerf that needs to be reverted along with giving feral there glyph back. to prevent bear weaving!!!
The buff is irrelevant, it’s just a “feels good” situation.
Say they gave feral 1000 more DPS at a 100 parse.
That dude is playing feral at 20th percentile, he’s going to get 200 DPS out of it lmfao.
Who cares?
A bigger buff to him would be him learning how to play his class
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Except its… not
50th percentile it’s in line with Balance druid, affliction lock, enhancement shaman, assassination rogue, destro lock, shadow priest, sub rogue. Within 1.5k dps of all of those.
Ret pally and fire mage at 50% is 1.9k and 2k dps respectively higher than feral.
60th percentile thing
70th same thing and it’s even closing the gap on some of those specs
We are talking 1k to 2k dps from a class thats 7 “ranks” above it in most cases.
You could give him 2,000 DPS and he would only gain 400 DPS from it because he plays in the 20th percentile.
You seem really allergic to actually reading logs 50th percentile feral is still bottom of the barrel.
Weird how what percentile you look at really only changes whether feral is beating pvp specs or not but the results are pretty much the same.
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PvP spec argument holds no water because there’s no such thing.
Fire mage is good in both. Sub rogue is playable in both (and if I remember right is actually the better rogue spec in PvE with legendary daggers though I could be wrong). Arms is better than Fury in both. Boomie is an S-tier bg/rbg spec and good in PvE. UDK good at both. Ret good at both. Feral is also an S-tier PvP spec so if you really want to get into the pvp spec argument then really it’s the only one that’s properly balanced and we should buff all the pve specs like fury and arcane to outpace the top pvp builds.
I’d be fine with some fury buffs. Who actually wants to NEED an entire second set of gear stacking 1 stat to do pre-pull snapshots to even be a mid tier spec?
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Then why don’t all specs for a pure class like mage perform the same in pve and pvp?
What you want arcane mage to get a bunch of PvP and PvE buffs? It got sent to the shadow realm in the same patch we’re playing on that buffed multiple fire mage abilities by anywhere from 50 to 150%.
They do perform the same by the way, on retail. I’d recommend you check it out if you’re so bent out of shape by awkward class balance on a 14 year old expansion for a 20 year old game. (Lord how I MISS before blizzard messed with class balance in wrath, now it’s just nothing but whinging on the forums begging for buffs because your class doesn’t live up to your expectations of being #1)
Feral doesn’t need a buff because you have much much much more deserving specs to be buffed. Fury being just one example since it’s so reliant on a literal entire second set of gear strictly for pre-pull to even begin to compete with other dps.
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I would not care if all specs of mage were equally viable in pve and pvp, so i guess no.
The difference is that unlike feral mage has the ability to do the exact same role and be awesome in pvp and pve.
Oh no! The 14 year old expansion balance that you could’ve easily looked up via T13 logs doesn’t have insert spec here as a top performer?! Who could’ve seen this coming?
^ Das you guys.
Literally, what’s his name further up or in another one of his crying threads hasn’t even finished progging heroic. I’m not sure his specs performance is even relevant since he can’t get even a fraction of it’s value.
Wild to me that you guys can’t just take it as a personal challenge and uhh “git gud” as they say. When I lost world buffs I made it my personal mission to still put forth full effort and try to beat as many of the other dps as I could, I have 80-90 parses in AQ on bosses where I didn’t even have buffs.
So what’s you guys real excuse for not putting up numbers? I wasn’t on the forums crying when they buffed you guys even though it was a stupid decision and a poorly thought out buff for a spec that was already arguably over-performing for what it brought with it.
You don’t see me spamming arms threads begging for PvP buffs even though this is the only season we’ll be good in outside of gurth’alak shenanigans in the last phase of this awful xpac.
Why didn’t you look up logs if you wanted to be a top performing class before cata launched?
I just at what I find fun…who cares where you are at on the meters as long as you’re performing well on that spec.
Well the logs for Cata showed feral much better than they are now, almost like blizzard didn’t actually recreate Cata properly.
Not that that’s surprising.
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But why does it matter where you are on the meters?
Don’t you just enjoy the spec?