Remember at the end of the Night Elf campaign when, at the destruction of the World Tree to defeat Archimonde, and the Night Elves giving up their immortal life span, Malfurion and Tyrandre have a conversation noting that their powers over nature will gradually wane?
The writing is consistent whether you want to accept it or not. This is part of the reason why the Night Elves lose the War of Thorns, in addition to the Druidic Circles being occupied in Silithus.
Why can’t women be vengeful and powerful? Part of Tyrandre’s entire character is being quick to action–a trait that results in a lack of patience and being rash.
That’s why Varian was able to school her on “patience”
They certainly can, but this is not the first time we got a WoW female character doing:
“Oh wow, I was super crazy there, thanks for stopping me from doing sassy things! I’m better now! Good thing you showed me!”
We got:
Sally Whitemane - LETS KILL EVERYTHING NOT HUMAN - Very sorry for that whole “scarlet crusade” thing
Tyrande - “MY LIFE FOR HERS!!!” also Tyrande “I CHOOSE RENEWAL!”
Jaina - Tried to drown Orgrimmar with a water elemental apocalypse - now sorry about it.
Ysera - NIGHTMARE YSERA CRUSH PUNY HUMANS… sad ysera is sad
Vancleef - MY DAD WAS CHEATED! - my dad was wrong, learned my lesson
Ellisande - TIME THINGS AND DEMONS! - my bad, time things without demons
Sylvanas - DANUSER CHARACTER RUINING ARC - danuser redemption arc
Yrel - JIHAD! - Draenor is free! (AU - JIHAD x 2)
etc etc…
It’s a recurring theme that when WoW women have something bad happen they invariably go crazy to some extreme and need to be stopped by either a PC or male paragon of some sort. At that point they always have full contrition afterwards, and thank the PC/man for stopping them.
And now we’re waiting for Alextrasza to go off the deep end.
HONORABLE MENTION
Lady Liadrin : DRINK THE NAARU! - thank the naaru!
And so is the goddess she worships…
He would have burned the tree himself. The guy messed up every tree he started.
Yeah I think you just have some thing against female characters.
Jaina and Tyrande lost their homes to the Horde via indiscriminate slaughter. There is a ground for the Horde to stand on in opposing Theramore, because they were aiding the Alliance, but the means that Garrosh went to in order to accomplish his goal(s) were pun intended War Crimes.
Jaina died on a hill to defend the Orcs as a group that was more than just violence and destruction, even sacrificing her own Father, and how did Thrall’s Horde (what it became) repay her? It killed her mentors, her apprentice, and her people who had nothing to do with the Horde-Alliance conflicts.
But the Night Elves were attacked unprovoked and without warning, among a sleuth of misinformation and espionage carried out by the Horde. The Night Elves forces, both Druidic and Martial, were occuped with orders in Silithus. Sylvanas and her followers created this set up specifically to launch a sneak attack against the Night Elves to capture Teldrassil, kill Malfurion, and ultimately weaken the Alliance. The Horde became complicit in commiting a genocide as a result of all of that.
So why is it wrong for a culture’s leader, such as Tyrande, to be filled with hate and vengeance in the wake of such a tragedy?
Again
I’m sure we’ll see this exact same story in Dragonflight.
No, just bad writing that pidgeonholes women into the “crazy woman” trope.
What an odd take away.
A masterclass is avoiding every point that was made
You didn’t make one.
You just tried to justify them doing the same crazy woman trope over and over by saying why two of them should have been crazy.
So what is it when a male character does the same thing
What male characters did that?
Thrall - Mom said nothing was my fault
Illidan - I was right all along
Varian - I was right all along, love my kid
Saurfang - I was right all along,
Garrosh - IM GOING OUT LIKE I LIVED, in a BLAZE OF GLORY!!!
Arthas - Died trying to take over the world, Then died trying to take over a 16 year old because of the power of friendship.
Anduin - Im sad but always do the right thing
Gul’Dan - I’m great at being bad
Khadgar - Never did anything wrong
Velen - Never did anything wrong
The only one that really comes to mind is Ner’zhul, and maybe Uther but that’s a stretch IMO. Prime universe Blackhand maybe if we go off Chronicles?
I’m sure there’s some I missed, but it’s not really a universal trait shared with the games male protagonists. They generally either act in accordance with their initial thoughts and beliefs or in the relatively rare case where they change them, they don’t really do repentance. Garrosh is the best example of this.
At a certain point this becomes lazy writing too, inflexible males who are dominant and Varium et mutabile semper Femina.
Saronite wasn’t his fault. And he honestly thought his son had come back, because he was so corrupted by the Nightmare. He had no idea what he was doing to Teldrassil.
Yeah, the saronite was already there.
One of the main reasons they planted that world tree was to stop the saronite.
It was effective, at first, but then when Yogg realized what it was he did what he does.
It’s less of a “He caused it” and more of an issue of a guy trying to put out a grease fire with water while his boss screams “NO DONT DO THAT YOU IDIOT!”
If we play by the way you’re breaking all of these things down, then they’re all the same thing–the characters all acquit themselves of any guilt for their wrong doings.
Which isn’t what any of those scenarios are.
But I digress. You should reroll to Troll.
Agree to disagree.
Can’t wait for us to stop Darth Alextrasza so she can thank us!
Give me your version of what you would like to have happen next
Well… let’s look a Maiev. Went crazy and murdered people and somehow came back all forgiven in Legion.
Jaina, went crazy and tried to murder the entire Horde, tried to sew dissention, gave her King the middle finger, but also came back all forgiven.
Sylvanas, went crazier and actually mass murdered, screwed us all over, made a mess of the Shadowlands and is now on redemption road, probably to be forgiven, as well. At least by some.
Tyrande, went crazy and just murdered everything in her path, gave the King the middle finger, and was supposed to die. But she’s also forgiven. Now her circumstances are different, but there’s a point to be seen here in a sec…
Each of these characters was put into a bad writing spot and written into a corner that they had to write even worse storyline to get them out of it. While each circumstance has its reasoning (some legitimate, others just badly done), the fact remains that they keep writing these women into corners and then desperately trying to get them out of it.
Sure.
10.0 Dragons do their thing and Nozdormu and Alextrasza get eaten and Galakrond gets access to much more developed powers now that he has titanic energy his canibalism previously could not provide. Soridormi attempts to save her mate post mortem and pulls accidentally pulls Murozond out of the End Time AU timeline that no longer exists due to cataclysm as a mini-filler raid for 10.5. Killing him allows Soridormi to ascend to aspect-hood with elune providing Deus ex Machina style Night of the Eye eclipse for them to allow such transference.
10.1
Badass faction war forces attention away from Galakrond where we SEVERELY shorten the list of racial paragons until we all find out that EVERYTHING since BFA was all part of Nzoth’s plan, and then Zalatath uses the time dilation of 10.5 as a way to bring fragments of the 4 old gods back and doing a Voltron style assimilation to create an actual Void Lord. Zalatath is eventually stopped… by Galakrond… who gets even stronger for eating some void calimari.
10.2
Odyn’s Valarjar was created by him as a stopgap measure for when the dragons inevitably fail. This is that time. You do a war campaign with Odyn and the other remaining keepers to stop Galakrond and his hordes of unliving… which includes a soulless reanimated Alextrasza as a raid boss, as well as her brother Dralad the orange. At the last hour the only uncorrupted and full strength Dragonflight remaining, the Netherwing flight, comes in along with Baron Sablemane who pulls a Deus Ex Machina with them. allowing for them to destabilize Galakrond and allow the PC’s to harm him with their Nether Shifting ability which is unique among dragonkind.
10.3
Dragon Civil War as the 3 purebred Black Dragons continue to vie for leadership of their dragonflight, with the other flights splintering and taking sides. They eventually look at the mortal faction war in 10.1 as a lesson (after some significant PC interactions) and cautionary tale until they decide that dragon-flights not only are crazy bad ideas from a genetic point of view, but that the dragons should be free of these constraints and fly free regardless of color, as they were in the beginning. They do so and to honor Alextrasza’s memory pledge that no Dragon shall ever harm another.
I should note that I’m not calling the writing good as much as I’m commenting that it is consistent
If we’re going to pull any more time travel, lets go back to frozen throne. Thats where it really started to unravel