Hey Z. Don’t lose faith. Tanking in groups and raids hasn’t been “real” in quite some time. This is a world where groups will fail over and over again if they don’t wait on a sunder and later for 2 before unloading. Targets have to be marked even in the lower lvl 5 mans here. Sometimes, you even need to know what trash to kill first and the importance of vital marking and cc again, to survive.
You are on the right path. There are many places that will kick a person for not following the rules you mentioned. Keep leveling, get geared decent, know your pulls ie where they are and what they do (know they layout of an instance) (youtube is great) and you will find a home.
You’re supposed to just roll with whatever your simpleton dps decide to do. If the mage wants to immediately flamestrike > nova > blizzard a pack after you charge in but before you’ve swapped to defensive stance, let them die and clean up their mess afterwards; if they pull it off, more power to them.
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Maybe your problem isn’t what you are saying but how you are saying it.
… umm, to be honest you are probably better off for it.
if they have no concept of aggro, or how to manage it, they werent going to get far anyway.
im sure you will find a home that welcomes your competence.
edit: on a related note, is there a threat meter that is actually working yet?
It can be pretty easy to sound like a jerk when a person is literally costing you 4g in repairs because they don’t understand kill orders or threat management. And as it turns out ‘youre justa bad tank’ is the only response most have instead of any realistic advice.
Hey Ziot, You would truly be welcome with us. Classic mechanics are much different than retail and all of us realize it. We’re on Kromkrush.
FYI, the people blaming you in this thread are the same type of idiots like those in your guild. Without a doubt each one of these people are feeling defensive because they HAVE NO CLUE how threat mechanics work.
As a feral tank I deal with these AoE morons EVERY dungeon. They just don’t get it nor do they care. Can’t wait for the tourists to leave.
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I’m no uber player, but I do have a couple high-level retail characters, a level 21 classic character, and a smattering of various alts in both games. I’ve been playing on-and-off since 2004 and played EQ1 & 2 before that. All that game time and I’ve not been kicked from a guild once. I can’t recall if I was ever kicked from a group, but it doesn’t ring a bell, so I’m guessing I never have (or it’s so rare an occurrence that it doesn’t matter).
That is a long way of saying “it’s probably not what you’re saying but how you’re saying it”. If you’re under 30 years old, and especially if you’re under 20 years old, your conversation skills are not yet aged to perfection, so to speak. Interpersonal relations takes a lifetime to learn and it’s something you never master.
So my advice: remove that macro telling people what to do and just play your role. If things happen that are suboptimal, just roll with it as best as you can. As a great man once said: “do what you can with what you have.”
Best of luck!
Ye so we are both right then
There is alot of people with Retail/Mythic+ mentality trying to speed clear stuff, and expect people to AoE or do dungeons utmost efficiently, not waiting for aggro etc.
Its rough I understand but just gotta grin and bear some of it sometimes.
As someone who has been Feral tanking dungeons for my guild, I want more of these AoE “morons,” i.e. people who get the dungeon done faster.
By the way, to everyone expecting this to change at higher level dungeons: it doesn’t. We’re mass AoEing Stratholme, Scholomance, UBRS, LBRS, BRD, etc.
You don’t have to do it, as well; you’re free to play however you want, but if you expect the AoE style players to go away at higher levels, I’m warning you now that they won’t.
You don’t understand either.
If you AoE when tank does not have threat don’t cry when you die.
AoE all you want, but DO NOT expect a tank to get threat when he does not have the rage and when taunt is on cooldown.
Does that make sense now?
Honestly the best thing to do is to build a friends list and find a guild that plays more to your pref. Before tanking a pug, tell them your style and if its to slow for them, tell them gl and find another group. I personally prefer the take your time style and mark, but my son and his friends/guild do the aoe cleave without a proper tank (maybe the occasional 2hd arms warrior or sham or druid). Neither is right or wrong, as both can work in the lower level content, it just becomes a matter of finding like minded players.
The first thing I tell them is…You pull it, you tank it…it doesn’t take long for them to figure it out.
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Ya for your guild. People who are all in voice chat and a group made specifically for that. Not just some randoes thrown together to clear a dungeon.
Someone tried giving me crap for using throwing knives on my rogue…they didn’t seem to get that you can’t body pull everything in Azeroth. Find some of us old schoolers who know how to play it.
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sounds like the groups i run with. i’m a dps but i sit and watch party members hammer away at mobs the moment the tank takes 2 steps and get rekt. i don’t say anything, i just laugh at them. i dont even fear the mob if i saw thats what they’re doing. they gunna learn
“Retail players are to blame for everything” Let the meme die already
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Every time I drop my daughter off at school, the last thing I say is “Weak people get bullied”. She doesn’t get bullied.
Stop being weak. Nothing wrong with wanting to play the game correctly but if what you say is true stop with the “demoralized” thing.
Move on, adjust your delivery when explaining things with new people. There must be some fault on your side of this situation.
Don’t worry so much about it. Lower level mobs don’t do that much damage. My warrior is incredibly sloppy trying to tank newb filled runs, but we still get through it. No one waits for any threat. Everyone attacks different targets. No one snares or stops spells. You just do what you can. Rest assured most of them have no future because they’ll never get through a dungeon at 60, assuming they even get there.