Keeping track of blacklisted players in classic

[Nicho-muradin (Nicho)]

Well you’re putting yourself in a situation where you don’t know 39 other people and all you have to go on is good faith.

So you think it’s cool to ninja then and this behavior should just be accepted when it happens? Honest question because of that’s NOT what you think then why does any of this matter?

I’ll help you out here, it doesn’t.

What is your expectation here? That your report is going to have an impact? You don’t have that kind of power. If you’re out to punish bad players, I’m sorry to say they’re not going to care.

I just asked you a question, there is no expectation. Answer the question and I’ll get to my point. Mindlessly jabbering about nonsense doesn’t help anyone here my friend.

In reality steps #2 and #3 have happened multiple times before step #1 but you as the observer are oblivious to this fact. Which means Steps #3 and #4 don’t actually play out as you think they do.

I’m sorry but did you just start playing the game in cata?

When people do this multiple times steps 3 and 4 most certainly happens a lot. Christ, entire guilds sometimes got the blacklist and were kicked out of groups for just having that tag.

So you don’t start your own groups because not everyone can do that? That’s a total failure in logic.

Lol I never said that?? Man you aren’t the brightest person here are you. I said that’s good advice, but it isn’t the answer for everyone. I’m speaking in terms of the whole population of your server. If you tell a whole server to just “make your own Groups and invite only people you know!” That’s a dumb thing to ask for an entire population. Most people just join pugs because that’s the only way they can really get into groups.

What if all my friends are dps? What if my tank friends aren’t on? You are painting this picture perfect scenario that honestly isn’t a fool proof plan.

Or if there is someone you KNOW is a terrible person you could… you know… avoid them. Which is what blacklisting is.

I don’t mind the idea of blacklisting but it’s a reaction to an event that for the vast majority of the time can be avoided in the first place.

And that event also can use blacklisting as a tool to avoid it, as I guarantee you and most people will never step foot inside a pug or have one in their raid for a night if you aren’t full.

People get scammed all the time in games (and in real life), you are completely capable of protecting yourself with preventative measures so that it doesn’t happen in the first place. Relying a list of names to protect you from getting scammed is so low-effort that such a person is the exact type of player who gets scammed.

This is the dumbest thing I’ve heard all day. Thank you for that. “The people who try to avoid being scammed by remembering scammers are the ones who will get scammed”

What if you need an enchant and you go to someone to enchant your items and he just steals them? Are you just going to forget his name? No wait, let me guess… you’re only going to go to people you know who has that enchant. Sure, that’s realistic.

Honestly your whole argument is just a dumb one, I’m sorry. It’s based solely off of just avoiding any and all contact with anyone that you don’t know and that’s just ridiculous.

In order to trust someone in a game like this, you have to give them a chance and get to know them. Sometimes these people will cross you and do bad things like this, and this is where you can just keep a mental note in your head to not go near that person again. Every friend you have on here that you made that’s exactly what you had to do that made you gain their trust. That person you’ve played with since level 20 that you trust? Yeah you didn’t know him at one point and you had to give him a chance.

Acting like making a small mental note to avoid certain people is a lazy thing to do, is simply just stupid… there’s no other way to put it.

[Teemo-thrall]

back then in vanilla, to confirm this nonsense of ninja looting or anything that had to do with Ganking between mutual Horde and Alliance guilds / pictures had to be supplied.

[Aristylla-sargeras]

RP Server rules. I can dig it

[Leiloni-area-52]

Just put them on your block list in game and leave it at that. I think if they wronged one person, that doesn’t mean they wronged others. I’d much rather they have a chance to make it right and give others a better impression. I wouldn’t publicly blacklist someone for one mistake they had in one group.

If everyone does that and keeps a personal block list, then people who truly are repeatedly jerks will have a hard time grouping anyway if nobody can even see their LFG requests in chat and it’ll work itself out appropriately.

[anon83669306]

What do you think of the idea?

I personally don’t tend to care about some list other people have.

I build up my own list - both of those I believe are good peeps and those I don’t want to group with in the future. (Friend and Ignore in many cases, but the limit of 50 does put a damper on that.)

If I’m grouped with a couple friends, and one says they’ve had a bad experience with someone, they don’t get invited to our group - but generally my own list is first-hand experiences.

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I suspect someone will make a website, or a Discord channel, and there will be those who slander the innocent, those who claim they are innocent, and more.

It might be more relevant as a guild thing, or a Discord community with a group of guilds, situations where the individuals have at least some knowledge of each other and are more likely to believe the experience of two or three people in a situation than just one random person making a claim.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

Blacklists can be abused because anyone can claim anything was done with no proof.

It is exactly the same.

I’m not sure which one it is you don’t know or understand, but if you think they’re the same, you clearly don’t know both.

Blacklists are not automated. Blacklists are not part of the game. Blacklists are run by communities, not by a bot.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Just put them on your block list in game and leave it at that. I think if they wronged one person, that doesn’t mean they wronged others. I’d much rather they have a chance to make it right and give others a better impression. I wouldn’t publicly blacklist someone for one mistake they had in one group.

If everyone does that and keeps a personal block list, then people who truly are repeatedly jerks will have a hard time grouping anyway if nobody can even see their LFG requests in chat and it’ll work itself out appropriately.

I guess that depends upon the “mistake” that person made.

Johnny accidentally face pulling another pack of trash is vastly different than Billy rolling need on an item he cannot even equip, for example.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Blacklists can be abused because anyone can claim anything was done with no proof.

It is exactly the same.

I’m not sure which one it is you don’t know or understand, but if you think they’re the same, you clearly don’t know both.

Blacklists are not automated. Blacklists are not part of the game. Blacklists are run by communities, not by a bot.

The funny thing is that poster also said:

And yet, both can be abused the same way.

If they have RCR with squelch, then Blacklists should be allowed.

If they don’t allow RCR with squelch, then Blacklists should be a bannable offense.

Yet, unless I am mistaken, that poster supports the right click report tied to the auto squelch, but opposes “blacklists”.

[Switzy-stormreaver (Switzy)]

This is why blacklists fit the Classic community. They are a return to player agency in management of the community. Any given blacklist, regardless of where it’s hosted, must be adopted by individuals in order to impact the community. They aren’t force on anyone. Some people will just ignore and move on, others will keep their own blacklist, while others will coordinate with friends and guildmates, and still others will reference a community-wide blacklist. Regardless of what everyone else chooses, it is their decision and their decision alone.

The only way Blizzard is going to stop blacklists from being a thing is through an Orwellian level of control over the Classic community, and they don’t have enough GM staff to create a Classic Thought Police.

[Kiyrin-ravenholdt (Kiyrin)]

Screenshots can easily be manipulated; this is why Blizzard doesn’t even bother looking at screenshots players submit when reporting other players.

Having “Player Blacklists” - beyond one you keep yourself, such as what Eilethalua talks about in a post above- is just asking for “Crucible” style witch hunts where people start naming other players who fairly won an item the first players coveted, or when guild drama happens, or just to troll, or as payback for some perceived slight, or any number of other motivations.

Blizzard has the tools and personnel to investigate incidents in an objective manner. Players do not.

[Fallanaa-area-52 (Fallanaa)]

Screenshots can easily be manipulated; this is why Blizzard doesn’t even bother looking at screenshots players submit when reporting other players.

Having “Player Blacklists” - beyond one you keep yourself, such as what Eilethalua talks about in a post above- is just asking for “Crucible” style witch hunts where people start naming other players who fairly won an item the first players coveted, or when guild drama happens, or just to troll, or as payback for some perceived slight, or any number of other motivations.

Blizzard has the tools and personnel to investigate incidents in an objective manner. Players do not.

100% correct.

[Taintedheals-emerald-dream (Taintedheals)]

Our guild discord will just have a Blacklist we can put names in.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

Except Blizzard has already stated they are taking a completely hands off approach to loot movement (ie. ninja looting, ML mistakes, etc.)

[Makarg-deathwing]

Alesia guild on Benediction they manipulate guildies and other people from different communities by using LC in raids super scummy but they were very secretive to spread loot across the officers I only found the chink in their armor of a plan that exposed them and they kicked me out of the guild for it lol. Anyways dont join Alesia super scummy guild.