I always just assumed the shield in actuality is more opaque than in game, or it lost opaqueness by the time we arrive. It makes more sense to me.
As for HM Tauren, either side could have attempted contact. Because of their shorter lives, no tauren would be alive that knew a nightborne personally, so they probably started caring less and less even if they know the history.
So yeah would be very interesting to see those two characters interact.
or in laymen terms, tauren no likey the magic. (weirdly enough the thunder bluff enchanting trainer is tauren, despite theyre being elves right next to him, hes the trainer, hes the one interested in enchanting, even skilled enough to teach it himself. i know in classic thereâs no bs/mining trainer in darn to dissuade you from picking up a gathering prof in which there are nodes to accommodate it, but i havent checked in to see if there is no enchanting trainer in og thunder bluff, would i ever ask for tauren mages, no i like them being the one race to exclude sorcery, makes them unique. kind of makes me surprised there arent many more races, ancient races even, extremely untrusting and wayward of magic.
i also should add i dont think maylas views on the suramar liberation would have been any different than tyrandeâs. thal was so quick to join the horde bc theyd be treated better than how the night elves were looking at them, the tauren of highmountain probably felt the exact same way
edit again now i also wanna add why tyrande didnt recruit the highmountain tauren lmao, theyd have gotten along so famously. i can imagine the highmountain being like yeah ok horde has our brethren in its ranks but⊠two breeds of magic addicted elves and⊠the undead? (mulgore tauren brought forsaken into the fold but that doesnt mean highmountain is as sympathetic)
I love when players get judged for the decisions of the writers.
What I love more is when players ask for a change in the writing, the âyouâ card is thrown at the Horde.
Love this. 
I would be saying the same thing if the Alliance started wars and conflicts but since we just exist to sit back and let the Horde do whatever the want with no repercussions, you get lugged with the âyou lotâ card.
This was never going to work out in practice, the Horde has too many semi-peaceful races that arenât evil enough in it. I mean the Taurens, Vulpera, Nightborne, Blood Elves donât really work in a REALLY despicably evil Horde. If they wanted to do that they would have needed to double down on the Orcs and Forsaken and Trolls since release day, make them absolutely evil. Keep the Orcs as frenzied fel-tainted killers, the Trolls as sadistic voodoo conquerors and the Forsaken as hateful bitter undead defilers.
They wrote them as a sort of fist-bumping squad of rascally bros and that doesnât really allow for unending, vicious war-for-the-sake-of-war.
They also didnât go the opposite route and make BOTH sides sophisticated yet cynical & morally grey territorial competitors trying to outmaneuver one another but not descend into barbarism.
Thus it became this unrealistic halfway try and have my cake and eat it approach.
That sounds more interesting than what they are now, not gonna lie.
New Blood elfs? Sure.
Old Blood elf lore was metal.
Not to be that guy, but it kinda sounds like youâre just using WoW as an excuse to be racist towards something. The fact that you wonât accept any nuance in your story and want all orcs to be bad even though we left that back in Warcraft 2 doesnât help either.
kind of makes you think if they had made kaelthas into what they were doing with sylvanas, kept him as the leader but still kept his alignment⊠the possibilities, because his blood elves, were evil. at least the outlands ones, the spies in azuremyst and bloodmyst were absolutely diabolical. i mean im not all for EVIL BLOOD ELVES. but it would sure silence the BLOOD ELVES ARE HIGH ELVES. if blood elves were going to be as drastically different as kael could have made them⊠thereâd be no confusing the two⊠evil elves⊠yes⊠looks at self⊠wait
I feel that old Blood Elf lore pretty much died after that Burning Crusade cinematic where she murders the little fae dragon. It went pretty flat once it was in game.
I liked how they used the light. It was something different than how the Alliance were getting theirs, but then everything started to push them toward becoming generic elf 3.
I would just like to point out when I talk about the Horde and the bad stuff they have done, or say âyouâ I mean the Horde as a faction as Blizzard has written them. Not the playerbase. This is because:
You, the players, have no control over what Blizzard writes and forces the players to go through in the questing. You just want to play the faction you chose, and for most, not be the villains.
I donât consider player characters canon. Everything we do is headcannoned to a generic adventurer/hero. So like Horde players had to take part in War of Thorns, but I donât consider Horde players a part of it because technically by Blizzardâs canon they werenât there it was some unnamed hero.
Wish more players were like you. Iâve met many players on the forums who seem to think that the Horde player themselves committed the atrocities.
Saying you got off is not the same as saying nothing has happened to you. You have definitely made out in the leaders department.
If you donât see that you have been able to keep the majority in the narrative while the Horde has lost most of oursâ thereâs nothing helping that.
You didnât lose Darkshore either. Itâs still yourâs in lore. We havenât taken Gilneas from you either. Just like you havenât taken Undercity from us. They just join the rest of Azeroth in being utterly wrecked. Which there should be an expac that repairs Azeroth. But that isnât the focus of the discussion. Thereâs lots of Horde areas Iâd like fixed as well.
We are talking about leaders. And you win out in that department.
Weâll see how much Volâjin is around. Because his BFA stuff was very limited and disappointing. It does continue into Shadowlands, but would not be surprised if thatâs brief and over after Daâ Other Side dungeon is done.
Sounds like you are using any excuse to use the term âracistâ where it donât fit. How the hell can you be racist towards Orcs exactly? more to the point, how would it be racist to want Orcs or the Horde gone when they keep starting wars and conflicts over nothing depleting both sides and making it easier for things like the Legion to blindside us? It is stupid how much Blizzard expects the Alliance to forgive or forget with the Horde. Itâs the same thing every time - Horde starts something, Alliance has wait around until we are allowed to do something, we retaliate, Horde loses, then they play the âWe were just pretendingâ card, the Alliance is expected to forgive and forget and then the Horde does it all over again. Rinse and repeat.
The most realistic portrayal of the Alliance in WoW was in Warcraft as the Horde blind sided us, nearly killed everybody, and under Anduin, we regrouped and took the fight to the Horde and were set on hunting down and killing every Orc, which was par for the course considering they came to Azeroth to kill everyone here, but King Terenas just happens to save them from being killed even though every one else wanted them all killed which is exactly what should have happened. Even back in Warcraft the Orcs and by extension, the Horde were being given special treatment for no reason even though they started a war with the intent to kill every one living on Azeroth.
Whats the point of me rolling horde characters if they just gona be an other alliance. I like the factions being different.
I meanâŠ
Horde:
Cairne
Garrosh
Sylvanas
Saurfang
Gallywix
Alliance:
Fandral Staghelm
Varian
Magni
Bolvar
Horde has more characters that are dead, but as far as leaders are no longer being the leaders of their race we are fairly even, with the Horde ahead by one.
Thrall seems to be back on the Horde so I donât count him as âgoneâ from the Horde anymore. I also donât count Volâjin because he is still kicking it with some plot with the Horde and seemingly has a part to play in Shadowlands.
You already forgot Volâjin that fast. Oh nvm, saw what you meant. But he does count because heâs not a leader anymore.
I envy the Horde. I wish the Alliance had a council, instead we have an entire faction following an 18 year old moron named Anduin. How nonsensical is that?
I main alliance, this is my horde alt 