Karen does a pug m+

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TLDR: Don’t jump to conclusion that the guy deliberately bricked your key when he disconnected and never came back.

I had someone btag add me, and starting complaining about how one of my raiders, a 3.2k IO guy, join his 16 SoB, and ninjalogged halfway, and started dropping hints that they wanted me to gkick the guy immediately.

Well i was in discord with the said person, so upon asking, he told me how he had a world server error and couldn’t reconnect, and since their group wasn’t on comms, he had no way to inform them.

Well, then I deleted the person off btag since there wasn’t really anything else to say, and they started berating me for my actions, demanding action. Then they goes on that we ‘high IO’ / mythic raiders are self-entitled douches because we’re ‘better’ at the game. And before i can explain why my raider isn’t at fault, they just goes offline.

Ok enough of the story, it’s pretty clear as day the issue here; they assumed my raider deliberately bricked their key for disconnecting. Like if he left the group without a reason, sure, i’d understand. But do these ragers even understand that IRL problems can happen? Frustrated at all that your key is gone, doesn’t mean you can point fingers and make assumptions / demands.

Want to be upset that keys are gone? I’ve lost so many of my 18 - 22 keys to pugs that actually leave the group after playing extremely badly. You put your key to the pug, you get ready for the problems, don’t go escalating the issue. I hope whoever that person is that added me on btag reads this, since you wouldn’t log in to show me your ingame character.

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Lesson of the day: give less care about what randoms say in the game.

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Well, did you give Karen the full story?

“I’m sorry, our guy had some problem with his internet and couldn’t log in. I’ll tell him to help you with your key when he’s back on, if you are still doing it.”

would probably avoid the whole situation.

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I agree, some of the frustration the person that messaged you experienced might have been avoided if they knew why that happened. Deleting before explaining what happened most like escalated the situation since it reminded them of your guildmate.

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^ yup, as a raid lead or GM (whichever you are) I would hope that you have decent communication skills and conflict management

You quite literally could have responded straight away with the story once you knew it, then deleted them once you had

Their frustration is understandable enough honestly, how were they to know?

I mean sure they didn’t need to escalate the situation themself and they certainly do share the blame, but it was you that held the tools to de-escalate it all :woman_shrugging:

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I’ve been gm and or an officer/raid lead since vanilla with the exception of mythic hfc to current live bfa. Tbh you take that risk every time you pug anything in wow so I don’t know why he’s crying. Firstly if you want something done find a guild or a group of friends unless you can stand taking that risk.

I’ve left many dungeons/raids over the years but mostly when I leave one is because of how stupid a mistake is, not that they made one, we all make mistakes but it varies between being recoverable and not. Obviously that’s a vague scale and I don’t currently have an example as I’m tired, may edit one later when I think of it.

I also don’t pussy foot around it, I’ll do it in your face and hearth mid pull if I think the run is a waste of time due to incompetent.

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We already have enough with the cancel culture in real life, keep it out of your games. There’s a ton of RL stuff that can go wrong and prevent you from finishing a run, tough luck, stick to your mate, report if they keep harassing you and move on.

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Yeah he was just making assumptions. I’m sure everyone’s had their power or internet go out before, sometimes you don’t even bother logging back in til the next day after waiting for an hr, what would the point be unless you plan on doing another obviously but it’s not like it’s recoverable after that time.

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I think they crossed the line of normal behavior when they went on to PST the guy’s GM in an attempt to get him kicked, the whole situation could’ve been avoided by just thinking like a normal human being, “things happen”, “it’s just a game” you know.

OP has no obligation to explain things to crazies over things he has no clonclusive proof of other than both parties word.

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This is why M+ makes me so anxious; because little things like disconnects and emergency door calls/bathroom calls can happen that can ruin the entire run. I get super nervous whenever I do M+ and I don’t relax until it’s finally over.

I’ve suggested adding in a pause timer for stuff like that in the past but it only gets me flamed on these forums.

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Oh my gosh, how can you even suggest this??? NOOOBB!@ONE!!!

Just kidding, I think it is a wonderful idea.:+1:

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Hehe, thanks. Got a much different reaction at the time though.

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Also don’t accept random btag requests from people you don’t know.

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I don’t think a pause button would be terrible as long as you didn’t regain cds and such obviously. But I still think barring any emergency or disconnect that if you intend on doing an m+ you stay there for the entirety. Obviously not considering leaving and bricking the key intentionally.

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I disconnected in a 8 during legion. Near the staircase to the last boss. Came back just as the last boss was killed and everyone joked how i returned just for loot. Even though i got nothing. They weren’t mad and probably didnt care.

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Or you could, you know, use some basic form of communication to explain the situation and move on with your life.

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Seems legit.

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No they don’t, but do you really only do things you’re “obligated” to do?

Fact is it would have taken OP a few seconds and rudimentary levels of communication to reply with

“Sorry, they DCed and couldn’t manage to reconnect”

You know how long it took me to type that sentence? Literally seconds yo

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Tbh if I was the GM I wouldn’t give them the time of day unless there was proof of them being racist or something of the like. Otherwise I wouldn’t care even if they intentionally bricked someone’s key, what they do with their time is none of my business, the only thing I care is if they’re being racist.

My guild just had that exact thing happen though, a previous guilds gm/members warned us of a couple players we were trialing about their previous racist history. Ended up being removed promptly. Gave us evidence of it and all that like screenshots I believe, I heard. I don’t do the whole gm/offcier/raid lead thing anymore as holding hands isn’t very enjoyable for me anymore.

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While I get the point, the OP isn’t at fault. You can say they didn’t de-escalate the situation, but shifting the blame to him because he didn’t do something, instead of actually holding the guy who flew off the handle without the proper information accountable, doesn’t make much sense.

The person who flew off the handle is in the wrong. The OP simply didn’t do everything possible to handle the matter professionally. Which, really, it’s a video game. Not many people would.

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