No point in debating. Just give me the tl;dr.
Why no Solo q?
I just want all the reasons against it. It seems like an obvious thing to add in the game for me. But if it really worked in practice, blizzard would have added it.
At this point I’d rather just see them add it because of the demand but in all honesty it’d be complete crap.
For one, you have blizzard creating it and in charge of balancing it. Looking at the current state of the game and how pvp has been treated under Ion’s control for the past few years, I’m confident it’d be a mess.
Secondly, it’d just be more streamer content where high rated streamers just crush noobs all day on stream. People watch streamers like pikaboo 1v2 noobs all day every day.
tldr: it’d be a crap show from lazy development to streamer content
Solo Q would be perfect if it weren’t for the people in it.
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Sorry, I started playing in BfA only last year in June. But thats a really good point. I have been totally destroyed by people in Arena.
I fail to see how that is different to current pvp.
It’s not and that’s my point. If current pvp is a joke then why would adding another bracket somehow make it less of a joke?
Until the dev team actually cares about pvp, there’s 0 point in adding another game mode.
I’m still all for them adding it though just because of so many asking for it, just giving my opinion that it’ll suck.
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The only problem it solves is bypassing LFG for ranked. That’s the only problem I want it to solve.
I just want to play ranked without having to slog through LFG.
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It’ll be the same as random BG queue just a higher skill cap. So Rando team vs rando team, 50/50. Rando team vs premade, slaughter. The biggest thing going for it would be the queue times. No more combing LFG then getting turned down because you’re unranked or because you’re not the desired class or no more making a YOLO group and waiting an hour to get a full group. You have the required ilvl, you join and find a game within 10 minutes, and you play. Think of it similar to the Heroic dungeon queue.
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Yep in theory thats how it would work. In practicality though, not so much.
How would it not work?
i mean… that does sound good to me. All ranked games are usually 50/50 right? you win or you lose. I’m on the side of “lfg sucks and takes too long” inb4 -> make your own
I don’t think 50/50 will get you progress. You play more games but will likely be on a standstill. They have to fix the engine/personal MMR issue too.
50/50 can at least get you to ~1500
Bots, afk or people who tabbed out doing other things. So basically the same thing as a reg BG but with rating.
cant you say that for every game with ranked queues?
This was Ion’s answer in an interview on why he’s against a solo queue for Mythic+ and Rated Pvp:
This should be an interesting question, will there be a matchmaking system for Mythic plus in the future? Like match “similar level” players through a built-in ranking or scoring system and do Mythic plus together. This could be very complex to achieve, but it sounds very fun.
It’s something that comes up a lot, we hear this in PvP also - people who wish there were some kind of rated solo queue system. The approach that we’ve taken so far and I think we continue to focus on is to try to make it easier to find people of a similar skill level, with similar interests to do this content. We think there’s a lot more that we can do with the group finder, and even just making it easier to without addons to see their rating and experience of people who you’re grouping with will help, but ideally you should also search more easily for specific dungeons, difficulty levels, to specify whether you want just to complete the dungeon, or whether you want to push the key higher, and what type of group you’re looking for .I think all of these factors can help people find each other more easily. The big concern with matchmaking is that WoW is, unlike a lot of other games that have matchmaking, where in Overwatch and in a MOBA like League, you might play different champions, different heroes. In wow you are your class, and that’s not something you can change, and composition matters tremendously for group success. So if we randomly match you with teammates that don’t seem like a good combination of classes or who you would prefer, I don’t know that that’s going to be the most fun experience, and so we prefer to give players control over who they group with, but we also want to make it easier for them to find friends and companions.
He answers in a way that suggests it’s only one way or the other. Like a solo queue would mean we take away the means to put groups together and it’s only automated. I don’t understand why we can’t have both at the same time! A solo queue would only allow a player to go so high in rated content. There would be a point where you need to put your own group together to climb higher, it would be near impossible to get over 1800 or even 2000 in a solo queue.
At least with a solo queue, players new to PVP or just want a few random matches to get some rating, could jump in and see how it goes. They don’t have to suffer decline after decline because they have little or no rating. This takes nothing away from people making their own groups, they can still do that and steamroll their way too the top!
TLDR: Ion’s answer doesn’t really make sense in my opinion, as I don’t understand why we can’t have both systems in place at the same time.
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ouch. this does sound brutal. I only agree with his point on team composition and why that’s important. But at the same time, As a very casual player, I just feel excluded. Once I get ilevel 200, im kinda just done with the game 
M+ and M raiding puts me to sleep. I’m one of those people you HATE in raid finder LOL.
I dont think there are enough players around to make it work. If they had the sub count they did in WotLK , it could be a good thing, possibly even amazing, now it would get get busted right away and result in crazy long que times.
I’m sure most people would use it to get to 1200 or so, then LFG the rest. At least that’s what I would do.
Makes me wonder if it would cause MORE people to go into rated content than currently. I was reading an article from January that stated 33% of the WoW playerbase had participated in at least one rated content. Granted, there were a lot of estimations being thrown around in that article, but ~1% of WoW are currently playing rated PvP right now. Could you imagine the bump in queue times if that was 10%?
For the vault, yea there were more yolo groups than I had ever seen, but it felt like it really was dying off by the end of feb