Judge Dispel Nerf is a good START, Ret needs more nerfs

Well, it’s purgeable in the same sense that divine shield and ice block are…

the real crime is that I can’t use shattering throw on BoP anymore for some reason :dracthyr_comfy_blue:

The buff shows as “magic” that is dispellable and it has the dispel type “magic”. Buffs with that designation can be dispelled by magic dispels. Not just by mass dispel/shattering.

Would make blessing of spellwarding alot more reasonable if it were actually dispellable like blessing of protection is.

One divine shield is enough.

People who think this will matter too much are really dumb. Are people really losing to people bubbling and popping wings? Even if it did have a damage reduction most of the time when your using it like this it’s being used as a trinket. You’d just cancel it when you actually press your damage. They could make the change tomorrow, and it honestly wouldn’t make much of a difference.

So, you’re saying it would only be a small nerf that would encourage a more tactical use of the ability?

And, to you, this is stupid and bad.

Okay.

No, I said people complaining about it are stupid and bad. Read my last sentence before proving my point.

Yah, but then the pally could be rooted/slowed/knocked/incapd, etc. Instead of being unstoppable. Seems like it could make a difference. At least for specs that don’t have ports or vanishes or what not and rely on cc to escape.

Maybe 1-100 games a ret plays are won from killing while in bubble. It’s honestly not a bit deal. A lot of different things need to line up. You can’t just run in there pop wings and bubble and win.

Then why did you quote me in the first place? I didn’t complain about bubble not having a damage reduction, nor did I say it would be a huge change if it did.

If you don’t think the change itself would be bad, I don’t know how any of what you said applies to my post.

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  • minus 50% DMG while in bubble

  • consider taking away lay on hands in PvP (like it was before).
    Shouldn’t be THAT much of a nerf since it has 7-10 min CD anyways, but Ret has SO much Deff/utility he don’t need Lay on Hands on top of that.

It actually drops to 3 min cd when used at low health

Uhh… gross

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The best way of nerfing ret is very simple, just don’t allow ret to proc art of war while using a 1 hander caster weapon and the game has become balanced. Tbh a lot of the issues I see on this thread is there is no way to counter a ret literally having insane burst with wings and healing and the scaling will get worse in the later phases of the game.

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They could go the WoTLK route and make wings put you on forbearance.

Doesn’t sound like the definition all similar spells use for secondary target

Also continues to be weird to treat ret as the main character so fully that over nerfing them is presented as somehow on par with this inattention allowing them to Be the entire meta right now

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These are good ideas. Sac being on a 1m is pretty nuts… like, rets actually have better defensives just for teammates than I have for myself lmao.

Bubble and spell warding give pally two opportunities to burst on an opponent while not being able to be ccd. Even if they don’t land a kill, it can force a defensive when the opponent might otherwise have been able to use other tools to kite if the pally were able to be cc’d in some way.

Given how frequently and for how long paladin’s can burst, they don’t need more ways to force defensive CD usage.

Lets see how well this bubble+wings strat will do in the AWC.

you are on drugs just go play another game. purge should be taken out of the game LOL make wings purgeable LOLOLOL

i just dont want 25 sec duration wings every minute.

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Make sanc replace sac when they spec into it and reduce the duration of sac (only for ret paladins in pvp combat) by 4 seconds

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