As a side note, I keep seeing raids forming in LFG with phrases like, “New players welcome,” and “No experience required,” which I never saw before.
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because the quote accompanying it says
“So far we are, it’s looking rather like a positive change. I will say this is totally anecdotal and this isn’t backed by any of our data as of yet.”
They are speaking as a collective, in the same interview, 2 lines later, and basically telling you “yeah we dont know” lol
public statements based on anecdotes = facts on the wow forums
I will say the quality of pug groups is down, however I think that is mostly due to the second wave of people hitting 40….second wave of levelers are garbage players so I give it a week or two for pugs to be tolerable levels of skill.
Literally was in a raid where a shaman didn’t buy his cleansing totems because “I am an elemental”……like there will always be a resto in the raid.
I was a marks hunter and was beating the melee hunter who went loan wolf.
Disbanded on the second boss after an healer left and immediately logged off when we told him he was still locked and honestly? I didn’t mind.
I am now using “no discord required” as a filter to ignore.
the quality of pugs has always been extremely hit or miss, you couldn’t tell, it wouldn’t make any sense for pug quality to be down really compared to p1 other than the instance is harder because gdkpers are unlikely to do random pugs and they didn’t in p1 certainly
That’s nice. The OP quoted Aggrend and you quoted someone else, who’s talking about the uproar dying down. A conclusion they’ve drawn by sneaking into discords, from Reddit threads and this forum.
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Hope botting ban is next
No, she was talking about it being a positive change as “anecdotal”
“I think it’s safe to say that this early on, it’s hard to make a conclusion. So far we are, it’s looking rather like a positive change. I will say this is totally anecdotal and this isn’t backed by any of our data as of yet. We’ve been surfing the Discords that we’ve snuck into and browsing community Reddits, social media, and our official forums.”
Surfing discords, reddits and social medias would never count as data because uproar isn’t quantifiable, nor would that data be usable
Another clueless anti-gdkper talking out his rear.
The majority of GDKPs are pugs to semi-pugs because there needs to be buyers.
when hes talking about pugs hes obviously not talking about gdkps, otherwise he’d use the word gdkps
“semi pugs” lol
There doesn’t need to be buyers either or have you missed the tons of communities that don’t have buyers at all and just run as a guild with gdkp as the loot system and use the same roster each week?
Not just gold selling and botting but gold buying.
Lies
No one has ever denied that there is the existence of some. But saying that everyone does is lies and hyperbole. That is what I was saying if you took time to comprehend. And if they know who buys/sells gold then just ban those people before the gold even gets to something like a gdkp. Or the AH. Or whatever other reason whomever bought the gold needed said gold for. People would still gdkp without people who buy and sell gold. But what I mostly see here is people talk about how much they just hate gdkp. It is an emotional thing for them not a logical one. Just because you had a bad experience doesn’t meant everyone else does.
Well, you’re not going to see it because you don’t want to see it.
My experience with GDKP is that not only is there a bunch of sus gold floating around, but it’s corrosive to regular guilds and their runs. It creates an incentive that slowly chips away at all other ways of raiding until you end up with nothing but GDKP’s.
There’s plenty of raiders who’ll be in a regular guild, but that little loot goblin in the back of their head will get pissed off one night because of MS>OS or a loot council decision. They’ll then become a GDKP buyer, and this will incentivize them to buy gold. Maybe they don’t buy gold, but it sure does provide an incentive. You end up with people either straight up quitting regular raiding with a guild, or who end up burning lockouts on GDKP’s.
As far as obfuscating gold, you often have house cuts, tank/healer cuts, and the rest. I never bought gold, and just carried as a tank. I made gold, but it was clearly bought gold. So though I never bought gold, I was enriching myself off RMT and had become part of that system.
It was also interesting that our GDKP’s started with a guildie who had some friends outside of guild, and who I’m not even sure had characters on the server. We used their discord for our GDKP runs and they would often find us whales. After a few months I realized that those guys had several discords running some sort of weird network of GDKP’s across several servers/versions of the game.
So though I was making money, I was essentially an employee making money for some shady dudes I didn’t even know, and I didn’t even have a clear understanding of what was going on despite being part of it lol
So timmy the whale buys 500k gold. He spends that gold on 10 of our GDKPs. A portion of that gold filters up to our strange benefactors that got timmy into our runs. They have this going on across many servers and many raid groups. They’re likely selling the gold back to another organization or to individuals. Our strange benefactors are the ‘bad actors’ they mentioned
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But without buyers gdkp is extremely inefficient for RMT
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Lets all be honest here the issue is the automated appeal response and not being able to connect to CS. Something tells me they knew how bad it was and said heck no we arent reading all those kek.
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That much I agree with. I miss the Vanilla days when I’d put in a ticket and be talking to a real person within like 15 minutes.
Those days have been gone a long time now.
There are certain issues that get you an instant response, like <5 minutes, with a real person, they have some words that trigger urgency I assume. If you have a gameplay problem you are pretty much gonna be waiting awhile
It’s not that I don’t want to see it, these arguments are just nonsense.
If Blizzard couldn’t detect the 100 gold being sent from “Chinese hunter 3242” → “American player” then the horse is already out of the barn, and what happens afterward is irrelevant. Whether that gold buyer spends it on GDKP, on the auction house, etc, really doesn’t matter.
“GDKP hosts are selling gold”
This I actually agree probably happens in some cases, especially in scenarios like you describe where it’s some guy running like 100 GDKPs. But once again, this GDKP host is using GDKPs as a way to gather gold. The same way he could be using bots. Or just straight up mage farming or selling boosts. The GDKP isn’t the problem, the problem is gold selling and gold buying, and if blizzard’s systems can’t detect the flow of gold going from GDKP players → GDKP host → gold buyers/3rd party that sells gold, then we’re doomed.
As for your argument that GDKP ends up taking over a server LFG, I agree. But only because it’s the best system for pugging.
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How will the GDKP shills recover
largely because people are just quitting boring SoD I think 
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Yea I can’t figure out how you would launder a digital currency that can be traced back to its origin.
Seems like it was just an auto response more than anything.
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