Jaina suffer the same syndrome as Anduin, becoming the pet of a writer at charge of the story has damaged them since their growing is stunt as they can’t make mistakes and being always in the right only makes people feel disgusted because they’re basically watching a person being praised by a great quantity of yes man in an echo chamber.
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The problem with Jaina is that she just can’t decide if she wants to be avenging angel or peacemaker. You never know where you stand with her, it’s always here today, gone tomorrow.
Then again, she’s that extremely powerful mage and always good for deus ex machina moments, so I guess the alliance must continue to suffer her constant mood swings.
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Well to be fair, that was the case with most characters that were included in the BfA Story.
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Care to elaborate? I haven’t seen this extent of inconsistency on anyone else, and Jaina was like that before bfa, too.
A few examples are:
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Shandris Feathermoon, who went from wanting revenge against the Horde to supporting Anduin’s peace all of a sudden
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Most Horde leaders (Baine, Lor’themar etc.) who went from a honorable Horde after Garrosh to yet another evil Horde by fully supporting Sylvanas’ war.
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Most Alliance leaders too because they went from wanting to bring the Horde to justice to fully trusting the horde even though there are no actual signs of change within the Horde, they just got rid of yet another genocidal warchief but they could set up a new one at any time, yet they blindly trust the Horde again without ensuring safety for the future
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Anduin who was supposed to be wise beyond his years went to a complete fool in basically everything he did in BfA. Attacking Lordaeron without gas masks, sending many soldiers on a suicide mission to abandon the mission later because the trolls are sad, holding a motivational speech for the Horde in Orgrimmar, accepting peace without conditions on behalf of all alliance leaders and more…
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As for Shandris, I agree with you that she should back up Tyrande after all that happened, but her words might have been spoken in genuine concern rather than actual disagreement. I guess, we’ll have to wait and see where this is going.
I think Baine and Lorthemar never fully supported Sylvanas’ war, but their hands were tied to keep this crap story going and when they finally acted, it came across as unconvincing.
As for the alliance leaders, it is sad but true that most seem to approve with whatever Anduin"wise beyond his years" decides and take his every word as god-given truth.
However, Tyrande and Genn don’t, so at least there’s a flicker of hope for a more nuanced story there.
I agree completely about everything you say about Anduin, but I wouldn’t call this inconsistency because to me he has always been someone who wanted peace, love and happiness at all costs.
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Voss and to a lesser extent Garona too are also very inconsistent from previous portrayals, though they’re not really involved in the war story.
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Shes a loose canon if nothing else.
It wouldn’t take much to send her over the edge again.
Better off dead if you ask me should Blizzard ever give us the chance.
Not sure what I said that made you think that? I have issues with Jaina specifically, but she’s a special case. Is this about the “righteous” comment?
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After Stonetalon was bombed, there was a night elf that said the Horde destroys because they didn’t appreciate beauty. You wanted to be able to prove him wrong, or scold him or something.
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Righteousness is just a concept within the meta-level of the Alliance, what is so reprehensible that this concept is then used?
From the Horde perspective, she was all about peace. Then she does things like ethnic cleansing and attempted mass murder against civilians. Then we forget all about that and we take lectures from her and Thrall apologizes to her for it all be the Horde’s fault.
I mentioned to my friend that stuck by WOW all through BfA and mentioned I believe Blizzard thinks of her as a neutral character that will be directing Horde players onto quests as a well as Alliance. His reaction was “never”, he would really unsubscribe first.
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Well Pheandra, let me put on my spectacles and grab my pipe while I tell you a little story. Eh hem, a long time ago a bunny and rabbit, oh that is the wrong one. Dear oh dear, let me try this again shall we? Yes yes, I found it. Here it, it’s called Blizzard has the worst writers for any MMO out there by a country mile.
In all seriousness though, WoW’s writing has gone downhill after WoTlK. It seems to be a bunch of loose end stories that never get fully resolved. Even a WoW developer said recently in an interview he agreed that the story telling in BFA was far to confusing and they could have done better LOL! Ya think? There is more depth in a single quest in ESO for narrative than in all of WoW’s expansion. Furthermore, the stories in ESO all get wrapped up with a conclusion that makes sense, unlike WoW where who the heck knows what the flippity flak jack is going on?
Yes the sword is still penetrating Azeroth and the magni is all like meh, f it. It’s my lunch break anyway.
Its kinda sickening to hear that the victim of a mana bombing is being perceived as an oppresive totalitarian by the members of the faction that caused said bombing while all she wanted was peace.
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Yes, the Allaince and Horde see things differently. For years we had the meme “Jaina did nothing wrong” and Sylvanas was always a villian. But that was an Alliance POV, the most Horde players didn’t agree with.
Now I’m not asking you to even try and agree with the Horde view. But if you can’t see how this would feel like the Blizzard making the Alliance POV into lore, at the expense of the Horde POV, well I guess that’s that.
I dont agree, i just had to point out the hypocresy, also i dont necesarly agree but wouldnt want her giving quests to the horde either and im alliance, get zekhan or whatever.
Edit: wrong term.
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It’s course-correction from the damage MoP did to her character.
“I hate Orcs. They killed all my friends, and bombed my city, and they totally PWNed my -REDACTED-, and camped me, and PWNed me again when I REZed. I hate their ugly, rugged faces. I hate their big, stupid… pulsing muscles. I hate the way their hard, intimidating bodies reek of masculine musk. I hate the way their big, fat, -REDACTED- just get thicker and thicker until your tight -REDACTED- can’t take it anymore and… and… oh… for the Horde.” -Jaine Proudmore
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I’d just like to see some variety.
Oh, that! It was his specific diagnosis of the Horde’s “problem” that irritated me there, not the fact that he was anti-Horde. As I said at the time, that made perfect sense under the circumstances.
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