Why though. You just said it’s only current for a couple weeks, but it has a place? That makes no sense to me. If content is made trivial less than a month into the expansion, what purpose does it have? Especially considering it just makes for another step in the process and makes the gap between the top and the middle so much higher.
That’s it.
It’s about 60-70 ilvls. I just leveled my palidan and I was about 150 something. I bought some starter gear off the AH that put me at about 160 range. After a couple days played I’m about 170+ from covenant stuff.
There is a massive difference between new players and the top. More so then I have ever seen in this game.
It is, but the extra tier adds another step up for ilvl. Why not remove that? Everything prior to heroic should be about the same.
Maybe lower the gap between normal dungeons/heroic/mythic 0 dungeons?
I dunno.
Heroic dungeons at this point seems redundant as well since they are basically the same as normal dungeons due to level scaling. But I’m sure some like them.
Yes, let’s go back to vanilla, tbc design. It is so much fun watching level 48s in quest greens clear MC in an hour.
Not really. It won’t be much different than TBC.
Hard to compare. Players in BC and Wrath understood the importance of friends and guilds. Most retail players do not.
Ulduar was one of the best designed raids. Dropping normal and slightly lowering the difficulty of both heroic and mythic would help a lot of guilds. It would allow more players to get AoTC and CE. HM designed at a level above current mythic would give higher end guilds the WF race.
It doesn’t make sense to you because you’re assuming that everyone plays the same way. For progression minded people, you get what you need from normal and you move on to heroic. Not everyone wants to do that. Some people are happy just doing LFR for the entire tier.
You guys make this mistake a lot, but removing those easy difficulties aren’t going to make players do harder content. They’ll just skip it entirely.
Eh, I don’t think that’s the communities fault. Sharding, mergers, and cross realm killed community. I miss being able to log on and see people I actually knew.
I have said this here before, but at one point 2 of my friends and me, who are on the same server, in the same guild, were all in oribos at the same time. All of us were phased to each other.
When you have a completely trivial raid tier… who does it benefit? The people doing LFG don’t care about normal, and the people doing heroic don’t either after the first few weeks.
i didn’t raid at all until DS lfr. used that gear to do DS normal. the thing that anti lfr people don’t realize is it gave then non-raiders hope/desire/will to move up. when the anti lfr stuff went full force i didn’t do any raiding again til nighthold. then again until uldir. then again til CN. when they are so anti casual we stop doing things.
Honestly I personally wouldn’t remove any of the levels but in all honesty the bloat didn’t happen until they made the current version of normal.
Back when they did this change with the WoD prepatch I was saying they should of moved lfr to the flex level difficulty that is now normal and left the old normal and heroic as it is.
I agree with that, I think the gap does lead to a positive feedback loop where mythic gear is constantly becoming increasingly available through other types of content though.
As someone that I’m guessing raids mythic, are you there because you like the challenging content or to farm gear for next tier, and, would you be happy or even accepting of a much smaller ilvl increase yourself (2-4 ilvl)?
Do you think mythic is definitely more about skill increase or just another ilvl treadmill to hop on?
I guess it’s supposed to be both but if people are there exclusively to get the best gear vs having a good time(me at one point), reducing the ilvl gap between heroic and normal would give better statistical info on what players really value in mythic, be it the gear or challenge. Also reducing ilvl gap could lead to less necessity for the availability of mythic quality gear in a bunch of other places, though I guess it’s just the vault now? Idk it seemed like by the time we stopped farming heroic most of our raiders had a bunch of mythic gear.
Why? What does it matter? Based on your prior posts you’re interested in the challenge. Players doing trivial content aren’t likely going to be skilled enough to do the same content. So why does it matter if everybody ends up at the same iLvL? Gear functions to enable people to do content. Not going to lie, the statement here comes off as being threatened by people less interested in challenges getting the same iLvL gear (not the same gear… there should be something shiny to show off for seeking challenge).
To the OP: You’ve stated there is a problem but I’m failing to see the issue that it creates or the actual problem. I’m also of the opinion that the stat squishes were completely unnecessary for the same reason. It didn’t matter.
Side note: did we really need another Delete ______ thread? These threads inevitably come down to these tropes:
“I should have the same gear as someone that seeks challenge”
“Having content without serious difficulty is bad for the game”
“Having mythic serves no purpose and is holding back new content”
“I don’t like how _____ plays the game and want that removed”
Many were getting it in 6 or less because a lot of us once we learned what to do were helping people by letting them know what needed to be done . Even to the point that we would tell them that even stacking to 10 determination wouldn’t help and that they had to follow the mechanics such as the button in order to beat N’zoth .
If you look at my armory for the last 2 to 3 expansions (SL included ) I’m an lfr hero .So I am not looking at it through the eyes of a player doing harder content thinking it LfR is easy . I’m just one of those that understands even the simplest of content has mechanics that need to be followed .
It’s trivial now…it’s been like 6 months lol. However long that tier stays current has a lot to do with your guild. I’m generally looking for AOTC in the 4-5 week range. Seeing as that’s the case, normal doesn’t do much for me. If your guild is getting AOTC after 3 months, normal stays current for you much longer.
The overall point is that current or not, lots and lots of people continue to do LFR…even you. They’re just not going to remove it.
