It's That Time of the Year Again: Remove School of Hard Knocks from Children's Week Meta Achievement

Lol I am over 60 - not wasting my time is healthy.

I see so only skill is important. All this took is talking to people - too hard for some.

Really that says a lot about you not me. I did that achievement for me and for me alone. I probably have never used that drake so it would be impossible for me to ‘lord’ it over anyone.

strawman

more arrogance - keep on telling me what I think, what I feel and what I should do. I am sure you know best.

For those of you who got this achievement previously, good for you. Im not saying this to start drama. Im glad they modified the requirement. Its been a pain for me. Ive gotten every other achievement in this meta and was just stuck not having the mount due to me unable to PVP efficiently. For years, id tried my best to participate in PVP runs to try to get this. Notifying my Alliance peers that Im in this for the achievement but I will do everything I can to get it. In the end, Id ended up loosing. I dont expect the achievement to be handed to me, or have someone carry me. Id tried times and times again to get it, but I wasnt that lucky. In the end, thanks for Blizz, Im able to close this chapter and never have to worry about this achievement again. :smiley:

Why on earth would you give into these terrible players?

What an incredibly childish response. Do you truly have no shame?

At least for me, the issue isn’t so much the difficulty of the achievement, or how much it goes against the spirit of Children’s Week, but how it disrupted PvP every single week the event has been up.

As I mentioned on my first post, it also irritated PvPers who were doing BGs for the sake of doing BGs - You would have people in Warsong Gulch forget about your faction’s flag entirely and just defend and hope for a flag grab, or people leaving AVs the moment all towers are first assaulted. The achievement gameplay actively incentivizes tunnel gameplay in PvP. I’ve seen PvPers in Eye of the Storm hold the flag and not turn it in on purpose just so other people who wanted to capture the flag for the achievement, literally turning the BG of a revolving door of players while the other faction easily won the game.

It wasn’t that hard of an achievement, yes, but it promoted seriously toxic gameplay from both ends of the argument. Eliminating one of them by no longer making the achievement a requirement is a good thing.

I’m sorry you ego is taking a hit from this, though.

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Speaking as someone who already had this achievement and mount, I 100% agree with your sentiment. That achievement was easily the worst one associated with any of the holiday meta-achieves, and was unfun for both PVEer and PVPers alike.

While I’ll hold it as a personal achievement that I managed to get it, I in no way want to continue to inflict this nonsense among the masses.

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A childish response? This is why blizzard is losing business. No one can express a differing viewpoint or else they get personally attacked on here constantly.

my ego is taking a hit? I thought you were required to follow the CoC for that yellow writing - personal attacks are not following the CoC.

And btw, people would help others in those bgs - people aren’t required to pvp every single week and they could have just eliminated those bgs from the queue if they didn’t want to be bothered with the children week. So that argument doesn’t hold much water anymore either.

lol yeah. it makes pvp unplayable for the entire week because everyone is more focused on the achievements than the BG. So you have half the group huddled in the base hoping to kill a flag carrier or afking at bases hoping to capture one. It’s nonsense and not fun for anyone.

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The achievements actively discourage cooperation.

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Thank you!

This has been a common sentiment since the release of the achievements at the start. This particular one has been an issue and people have asked for it to be removed from the Meta. Every single year there have been long threads about it, not just “because hard”, but because it really was a poor experience for everyone involved.

Spending a year to get all the others then being held back by a single bad achievement was not enjoyable. So glad Blizz listened and today I got my drake! Finally!

I am glad they left it in for those who worked hard on it :slight_smile: Best of both worlds. it exists still, but not part of the Meta.

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when I did them people helped others - so I have no idea what you did if you did it.

You either win traded or got very lucky then. The flag achievements discourage cooperation because they focus on you getting the flag. Not the team. This leads to situations where players are not working together because they are all focused on frantically trying to click the flag before the rest of their team does and if they don’t get it they either afk and wait or huddle in the base and do nothing but wait for another person to grab to flag so they can try again.

Add in having to remember to summon your orphan every single time you die and it gets very tedious and frustrating very fast

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Awesome change. I didn’t even think about Children’s Week for years due to that specific achievement. Thanks, Blizz :slight_smile:

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I did it on alliance and I didn’t win trade. People dropped flags for others to pick up - people on your team. I had a hard time getting to a tower first because dk and pallies have speed boosts so I asked a dk if I could ride with them. He was happy to help and helped me capture a tower.

If you go in thinking it is a competition you probably will fail.

Another poster earlier in this thread described how they got the achievement by “cooperation”, and it meant win trading and not playing the BG as intended. I am not saying it can’t be done without manipulation, but it is not simple and requires individual goals vs group goals.

An achievement that forces people to work around normal gameplay to undermine the actual PvP activity is not a good achievement. Ruining the BG for PvPers for the week for a mandatory (for the mount) achievement is not good game design.

Removing from the Meta should hopefully reduce the number of people impacting legit PvP play just for an achievement.

Those who like to see all the Achievement boxes checked, can still do it of course.

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That’s because it is a competiton for the vast majority of players.

So again. Not the intended way. Some people were lucky and had this happen but a lot of players didn’t which is why is this achievement was so frustrating for many

If you’re gonna do stuff like this they might as well add old stuff back in the game to acquire. Like brawler’s guild and the mounts.

really it doesn’t say your team can’t help you - battlegrounds are about teamwork so what makes you think your way was the correct/intended way.

That achievement literally does not require any PvP at all if you don’t want to PvP. It just required a bit of imagination if you don’t normally do PvP.

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