Called it. Prot Pally finally listed as C tier where they should be.
surely being c tier means theyre not 1 key level behind the meta tank rn then 
tierlists are tooootally a show of spec capabilities and not based on popularity of said spec
And specs are popular because of their capability, for the average player. You going to argue that dps tier lists are based on popularity too?
yes, dps tier lists are also based on popularity
tierlists are made literally based on how many players are playign a thing, not based on capability for the average player
Lol, that’s one of the most ignorant things I’ve read on here in a while.
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Lol Archon is dumb.
Do you know how they distinguished between Prot warriors in “A tier” and the 3 others in “C tier” ?
9 point of M+ score…
Vengeance in “S tier” has 3296 Io so the drop from “S” to “A” is 215 points but somehow from A to C its 9 points…
Yeah… That tier list sure as some serious metric analysis behind it…
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There are systems for tier lists. From wowhead:
" For DPS, we’re defining each tier as follows:
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S: These are specs that we expect to dominate the metagame, with groups using these specs massively outnumbering those that don’t.
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A: These are great specs that bring fantastic damage profiles for Mythic+ while also providing a healthy combination of utility and survivability. The specs in A tier will be quite popular as second and third DPS options for the entire season.
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B: These are good specs that have a minor downside in either the damage, survivability, or utility department. We have separated B+ from B- this tier. The biggest difference is that the B+ tiers make for better 3rd DPS options than the B- Tiers. The specs in B- tier are typically very solid, but we find it unlikely that they will see significant time in a top meta game composition. They are typically going to be the second or third best option for the final slot in a DPS composition.
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C: These are specs it would be surprising to see in broader dungeon compositions. These specs normally have multiple shortcomings of either survivability, utility, or damage, which hold them from excelling at a higher level.
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D: These specs are the toughest to play effectively in dungeons, as even when played very well, they’ll struggle to compete in damage with the top specs. They either have fundamental mechanical problems that make their damage not work well in dungeons, or they suffer from low tuning on the abilities they use in Mythic+.
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F: A spec with horrifying weaknesses, which is in immediate need of developer attention and which we’d be surprised to see played in many compositions at all."
Tanks -
"For this Tier List, here is how we ranked each Tank spec:
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S: An exceptional choice and valuable in nearly every situation, bringing strong throughput and exceptional survivability. Expected to be the most popular.
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A: A very good choice, excelling in most situations, with maybe one or two minor weakness. These specs are expected to have at least a few appearing at the top of the leaderboards.
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B: A solid choice, perfectly playable when used well. They may have a niche that will standout over other Tanks, but they ultimately have weaknesses keeping them from the top. These specs are expected to have one or two found at the top.
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C: Below average but not unplayable. These specs usually suffer in throughout or survivability. These specs are likely not to see much play at the top but may appear with players who specialize in them.
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D: Far too weak to even consider. There are no specs currently listed here."
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its literally has a disclaimer that tier lists are made from popularity and amount of specs playing that spec
so vdh will be stier cause its popular
thats not ignorant, thats literally how it works
but it seems like your set in your w ays, that prot paladin sucks because the spec itself sucks. not because your having major rotational issues in your keys that is makign you do 1mill less dps than other prot paladins in your same key level.
surely
Prot paladin doesn’t suck. It just isn’t great for this season’s dungeons. Get above 3k and run 13+ keys and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
VDH is popular and preferable this season because of the huge trash pulls and the cc and survability they bring for those pulls.
Yeah and wowhead actually gives a rational and puts Prot pal in “A” tier.
n ono no, prot pal is ctier cause archon says so
I play both prot pally n VDH, both over 3k rating. I would say, prot pally is just paper.
VDH is just so much tanky and lots of CC, the only thing prot pally is better at would be just locking down a single caster mob.
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And also their support abilities, but thats about it.
Their AOE CC is nonexistent, and their self sustain isnt that great, this is specially noticeable with Left-Dailcry.
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Things that were also true in S1 on top of being paper when out of defensive CD.
its funny how prot paladin becomes unplayable when its not fotm. even tho nothing substantial has changed
your doing 900k as prot paladin in floodgate 12. my dude your paperness isnt because prot is bad
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Prot Paladin had an overwhelming dominance over any other tank back in S1. As a result, they got nerfed. The only other tank that has surpassed Prot Pal Dominance last tier in M+ history was DF S3/S4 VDH which was slightly stronger due to double sigils.
Usually when a spec its so dominant, they receive a substantial nerfs that last for at least half a tier or sometimes even more, as a healer main recent examples of this are: DF S2 Hpal, DF S3 MW, DF S4 Rdruid, you get the idea. Of course not saying this is good or ideal, but its usually what happens every time a spec is this strong for such extended periods of time (with the exception of current Disc priest/VDH, so far atleast…)
crazy you didnt point out shadowlands blood dk season 3-4 but alright
I was about to, but their representation would put them in 3rd place after S1 TWW prot paladin. They had 80% ish representation at their peak for about 4-5 weeks meanwhile prot/VDH had 15+ weeks with over 90% of representation at the highest end. BDK was still dominant in those seasons ofc, just not as absurdly so as the other two tanks in their respective seasons.
My dude, do you even did any +12 and above? I timed all the +13 on this pally. I didn’t say pally can’t tank, I’m saying compare to DH they r paper.
Anyway, why hide your logs? Scare to let others see? Lol
No shot people are actually putting stock into a tier list lmao
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