That right there just tell me you have no idea what you are saying SL S1 VDH was meta simply coz the dungeon was tune too high mobs were hitting like a truck and people don’t have gear. VDH was used because it can jump into a mob use all DEF CD and do as much damage as possible when CD run out and got the hell out. SL S2 was the same deal mobs was hitting too hard but people shift to Guardian due to the covenant abilities making them an unkillable god for 30sec every 3min(or 5min can’t remember).
It wasn’t VDH being more tanky than other tanks it was just they can get away more better from mobs better.
DH was not the second best tank in s2, DK was. You still basically only ran druid at high keys but there was a mix of Blood DKs. Monk would have been on top in s2 (and s1) if the keys stopped at, using s2 as a baseline, 25 but considering they kept going Monks insane damage could not outweigh their inability to live through the incoming damage.
The only reason people are willing to try other DPS right now is because it is early and for keys this low the DPS timer is not really the issue. People right now have hope that there is no way Blizzard lets this same dominant comp continue for a 3rd season in a row (a belief I am not sure I share). The fact that we already know the DPS meta for the season though, because it is unchanged for the 3rd season in a row, is more troubling to me than knowing the tank meta for the 2nd season in a row.
This is immediately debunked the second you look at Season 3 or Season 2.
Ret and Havoc were the most played in Season 3 25+ and neither spec is part of God Comp.
Season 2 was one of the most balanced season for DPS representation in 20+.
I mean I understand that’s the primary issue, given VDH has simply been a problem spec for pretty much three seasons now. However, my point still stands of there simply is not need to push so hard, or get up in arms about 12 keys right now.
You’re not understanding why people bring up cases like this.
The point of the OP is not “I can’t get into +12’s, specifically, and that’s a problem, because I want a +12 and not a +11 or +13”, but rather “VDH is stupidly overpowered and Blizzard is negligent for holding their tuning to a few healing specs only - and here’s another piece of evidence to throw onto the pile”.
I mean lets be real here, blizzard has ALWAYS been negligent when it comes to their tuning, that’s just par for the course at this point. So it turns into you either accept that fact and reroll, or stick with your favorite class and accept that you will have a harder than usual time doing high keys. Other than forming your own keys, or joining a team that is dedicated to pushing keys together.
Agreed, and I have numerous times on here, but its like screaming into the void, you either have people that act as their royal guard on here that think blizzard can do no wrong. Followed by a clear track of blizzard simply never listening to the player base unless its something they were already working on that someone happened to bring up in the community council. To give the illusion that their listening, given the last time any of the devs responded to a post was three weeks ago.
I kinda wish they would wait until after full gear is available before they patch anything. Peoples decision making on the first gear pieces can matter a lot on the beginning of season, then people cry for a patch that may not be needed at all.
Plus there’s vault RNG that takes into account of someone else’s power.
I’m strictly talking from a pvp point of view though. I’m guessing this is a pve issue but I still feel like my point stands.
Well, twenty years of bellyaching by Alliance players got the Horde effectively removed from the game. Never underestimate what a prolonged complaint campaign can accomplish.
Until you look at title range keys for s3. 25s were not title range keys. All you demonstrated is that DH was very popular when 25s were title range keys (aka the first month of the season). You needed 29 Fort keys with 28 Tyran keys in order to be title range hence why most people use the 30+ bracket which you intentionally did not use because immediately debunked your entire argument and you knew that.
Raider IO
Season 3
M+ Level 30 and up
DPS
Paladin is the 2nd most popular.
Paladin isn’t part of God Comp.
You really need to double check your arguments. This is the second time you’ve said something proven false by a color-coded bar chart.
You’re right. Because title cut offs was not part of the conversation until you just brought it up in an attempt to make the data fit your argument.
The conversation at hand was not being able to get into 12+'s, which is roughly Season 3’s 25+.
Yeah, I agree that the problem isn’t what’s being played at the top. The problem is when players look at what’s at the top and refuse to accept anything else even when they aren’t playing at the top. It makes it harder for all of those specs to run keys when they’re arbitrarily denied just because their spec isn’t played by the ones chasing the 0.1% title.
If we are going to talk balance the title level is about the only level where it matters. At level 25 and 26 you can bring anything. For context that is the equivalent right now of 10s and 11s (in terms of who is doing them right now) and my 10s have been done now with multiple non DH tanks because it does not matter that much at this low of a key level.
I also like how you had to drop your “Havoc is so popular” argument. It basically fell by the wayside and you wanted to pretend you never made it. Sorry but that argument still exists and was still wrong (unless you think the 7th most popular DPS class is what popular is).
Also here is a fun trick for your metric. You say he is talking about 12s and you want to compare them to 25s. The problem is that if you look at title cutoff right now. If you did everything on a 12 you would be about 30-40 points short (as of this post title cutoff is 2223.8) which means that actually means this week 9s and 10s are more like 25s for last season.
Well I think I low key won… I made a post breaking down the cost of upgrading items with flgihtstones, and got a blizzard response stating that they halved the cost.
