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This is to all the people that are talking about TBC and how it should be implemented. The thing’s people are suggesting is so short sighted and if you look at the long term what they suggest is to the determent of the game as a whole.

Fresh TBC servers

Now as many know, if Blizzard were to releases TBC servers they’ll have some fresh servers to go along with it. People who are asking for fresh servers with no character transfer, whether that’s starting from level 1 or from level 58 as I’ve seen some suggest.

Starting fresh brings a lot of issues into the game, the main one being professions.
Now some might say " We can start at 300 [insert profession]." but that doesn’t fix the issue, sure it solves the scramble for materials that would occur since there’s nothing in the AH, and since nothing is in the AH everything will be very expensive…

Here’s why instant 300 X wouldn’t be good… You have a druid herber (as many will I’m sure) but, no matter where you go there aren’t any herbs to pick. Turns out that the zone you’re in is being farmed by botters. Botters that haven’t levelled herb normally but abused the system to get instant 300 to herb.

Player’s will also do this I’m sure but i can see it being used by them more. I’m sure this would also apply to mining and Skinning as well, gonna be super hard to get your Knothide leather for those drums with bots being added into the mix.

There’s also nodes in dungeons, a Rogue/Druid with 300 herb and mining can go into Coilfang reservoir and farm in there.

Gold reset

A gold reset is an incredibly foolish thing to see as good. A gold reset would do literally nothing long term, sure in the short term It’d be great but unless there’s monthly gold resets it would do nothing.

The botters will bot, the sellers will sell and the buyers will buy.

Getting gold isn’t hard in Classic, there are so many ways to earn it. Sure the most efficient are mage AoE but saying you need a mage and AoE farm to get gold is just wrong. So for those that say that they can’t get gold because they haven’t levelled a mage, you’re either just bad at making gold or too lazy to make it yourself.

TBC is expensive, very expensive i hear.

Shadoweave
Spellfire
Primal mooncloth
Primal Might

The amount that we need on day 1 of TBC is immense and the gold that would be needed to get it within the first week is insane adding onto the fact that epic flying is ~5k gold. Getting this by yourself is going to take months, so we buy/trade it from friends, guildies and the AH.

You can reset gold, but with how gold intensive TBC is on day 1 i wouldn’t be surprised if, once botters get their gold farming operations back, the people buying gold will buy more than they ever have on classic.

Classics transition into TBC

As we all know, Outland is a lot smaller than Azeroth, and putting so many 60’s in one zone is a disaster just waiting to happen. How i believe TBC should be done is that we copy our characters over onto a TBC server. Reason being that current classic is too over populated and putting that population into an area like Hellfire Peninsula is just a very, very bad idea.

A way blizzard can bandaid that is to add layers back into the game, but with how many people are on my server (Arugal, OCE) and other big servers, the amount of layers needed would be upward of 10 if not more. This is 10 layers, one layer per thousand people by the way and even though I’ve noticed less people playing most of those people would return for TBC and then some because i also believe that some people would want to skip classic and were just waiting for TBC all along.

If Blizzard keeps the 1 layer a realm “rule” then the queues, lag and general experience of the game that being quests, herb and mining nodes, WPvP and Dailies will be incredibly difficult to have a good time.

So make character transfers to a TBC server, reroll classic to phase 1. I think that not many people would want to play Classic if it’s on its phase 6 patch. Rerolling it back to p1 would make it more “available” to new players and they would be able to experience things they might’ve missed like the AQWE.

This is how i personally think TBC should be implemented.

disagree all you want but looking at the long term is what we should be doing. Any long term gain is far better than any short term gain we can ever get.

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You’re just another person telling people what they want is wrong and what you want is right.

All I hear when people say gold reset is a bad idea and come up with excuses as to why they should keep their gold anyway is “PLEASE DONT TAKE MY GOLD BLIZZARD”.

“huurrr bots will probably ruin the tbc ecnomy anyway, therefore we should be able to bring in all our illegal gold regardless”

Small brain opinion right there.

Must be a staysafe viewer, that’s his “excuse” to.

Sorry but the “I can exploit TBC to make gold anyway, therefore I should be allowed to bring in all my classic gold” is the dumbest, most selfish, brain dead argument in I’ve ever heard, the fact so many people parrot this “argument” is pathetic.

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While you are right about the gold re-set being only any good short term it actually harms the gold sellers the most. The trick is not to reset gold to zero, but to limit gold transfer into TBC down to a certain amount per account.

Hurting the gold sellers while making sure that the players going in can legitimately save up for skills, flight, etc is the way to handle it because taking away all their stuff is as you said pointless, but it also makes everyone bitter.

However allowing the RMT players to zone in with a wash of gold also hurts the game long term.

I do agree with most every point you have made tho.

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man I’m glad mages are going to suck in TBC.

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They dont suck, they just become a bit more mortal than before, that’s all.

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I knew one of you would come in here and contradict me you just can’t help yourselves. compared to OTHER ranged classes they suck and all the TOXIC whiners who play them NOW will reroll.

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You’re gonna keep saying they suck till you face RMP then you are gonna cry about how OP mages are. They may not parse top of the charts in T6, nor beat hunters in all the T4/5 fights but they are damn good regardless.

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Problem is, if we are going with as close to “no changes” as possible, then gold should transfer with your character.

I get it, people have been racking up huge amount of gold, much higher than the first go round. However, people know the game better now as well, know where things are, what sells and what doesn’t, know how to kill and farm bosses for loot (which they can also sell to vendors or other players).

Saying people should be able to take ZERO gold when they didn’t do that the first time is also a very bad idea, and is YOU telling people what they want is wrong and what you want is right.

It goes both ways.

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getting carried in one specific comp in the smallest area of the game doesn’t make them good bro. if I don’t play 3s what do I have to worry about.

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i never once stated that i don’t want my gold taken, just that it does nothing to the real problem and that is gold sellers and buyers.

Take my gold for all i care, i made it legitimately once i can make it legitimately a second time.

I’m just saying what i think would be best for the game, you can disagree all you want it is after all my opinion.

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When Vanilla was out not a single person was farming the whole game for TBC.

With Classic you have huge amounts of players BOASTING “I’m only playing classic to farm for TBC”

How in the world is this fair, that someone can play Classic for over a year with no other goal then to farm for TBC?

If every single person took this toxic attitude we’d all be going in to tbc with multiple gold capped characters and an army of profession alts.

Sorry but Classic isn’t a springboard for your TBC fantasies.

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the problem i see:

blizzard will want new / returning players to pick up TBC and will NOT pit them as level 1s against level 60 tier 3-geared players.

that undead rogue in the STV camp will not get to gank leveling toons all day, that’s bad for business.

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“I made it once I can make it again!”

I’m calling your bluff.

So you admit you have no problem losing your gold, yet for some reason you felt compelled to make this thread protecting your gold investments.

I’m willing to bet you’d actually be extremely pissed if you have to remake all your gold again in TBC.

What’s best for the game is a fresh slate, anyone saying otherwise is full of crap and being manipulative in order to get what they actually want.

Again, the Staysafe argument doesn’t fly, make your gold again then for all we care.

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Just gonna put that there…

Would i be pissed? Yeah i would but that doesn’t mean I’m not willing. If i lose my gold it wouldn’t mean I’d stop playing, it wouldn’t mean I’ll only play classic because that’s where all my gold is. The reason i started playing classic is so i can experience WoW. I’ve never played retail and classic was the first experience i ever got of the game.

I’ll make that gold back no problem I’d be annoyed that all my gold got wiped definitely but i wouldn’t quit over it. Every option has it merits…

Fresh level 1
Fresh level 58
Character copy to new TBC servers
Classic servers transitioning into TBC servers

Each have their own merit, some more than others and i think what i posted is the best way to handle TBC. Disagree all you like, nothing you say can change my opinion on this matter.

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Sure some people are worried about their gold. But I don’t have much gold and a gold reset won’t affect me. I don’t even have epic mounts for my 60’s. I think a gold reset won’t solve the botting gold buying problem for more than a month. It’s just not a good solution to the problem.

We’re all trying to get what we want. I don’t have gold to lose but I have time invested. I just don’t get you people who never get bored repeating the same thing dozens of times. I am so done with leveling from 1 to 60. I did it so many times in vanilla I memorized how every quest goes and where the objectives are. I don’t use questy because I remember it all. I quit BfA and thought I was done with wow forever. If blizzard expects me to relevel all my 60’s again I’ll quit classic and truly will be done with wow forever. Lots more things to do with my life than play this game from level one again.

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If you think Frost mages are getting carried in RMP you may not truly appreciate how important they actually are.

Mages are also excellent in other comps due to their utility and mobility and their uncanny ability to toy with helpless warriors. I think many seem to forget that only Priest and Paladin hold the keys to removing frost nova, and while shaman and druid are excellent healers they cannot dispel magic.

Additionally Arena is not a small part of TBC, its actually a very big feature, its easily one of the most popular components of the expansion and still to this day holds the title for the most popular Arena expansion ever. Its actually rather insane how popular TBC’s arena actually was and still is to this day.

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The five major areas of BC endgame are raising, heroics, questing/farming, BGs, and arenas. That would make arenas 1/5th and therefore small. There are better classes for the other 4 that can also have success in arenas thus my belief of rerolls.

I do agree with you that arena is popular and given the addition of today’s streaming culture will probably be more popular than it was before. Players that love mage will stick with it (to their credit) but the try hards who care about parses will be rerolling.

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You’re wrong. Vanilla was much more expensive aside from mount costs. A lot of good crafting items are gated behind BoP raid drops.

You’re really worried about starting and having to level a profession? Holy hell man, how about we just play the game?!?
95% of you will race to 70, burn yourselves out getting to honored so you can burn out more in heroics, then stand around in what wishing you had more to do, only to wipe on grull since you don’t have 4 world buffs to crutch.

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Arcane will top dps in tier 5 and be competitive for top 3 in tier 6.

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Mages need to craft Spellfire Belt, Gloves, Robe and Spellstrike Hood and Pants that totals to…

  • 46 Spellcloth, 10 Primal Might and 2 Primal Nether

Warlocks and Priests have the same crafting amount but different cloths with some variance I’m sure.
Shadoweave, Spellcloth and Primal Mooncloth. These are what people will be spending their gold on early in TBC.

Primal Nethers are mostly from Heroics (as i think that they can drop from normals too but at an incredibly low drop rate) and everything else is a profession craft.

I can see people sell the cloth for hundreds of gold.