Not true. Well, it is for LFR. But try that with Heroic or Mythic and you actually have to know the fights. Just having addons isn’t enough. Well, unless they completely nerfed raids since Legion. I haven’t gotten back into raiding yet, so maybe Mythic is as easy as joining and walking away from your keyboard- like you imply it is.
Assuming it’s not, then you actually have to know the fights and practice your rotation on a combat dummy.
Why do you need to know the fights? So you’ll know when you can stand still long enough to blow your cooldowns and get the most DPS output before you have to move again. That’s important.
So no. You can’t just join a mythic raid and wait for the addon to beep at you. It’s way more than that.
I don’t think it’s rude, but I do think setting your performance to your expectations is a good way to play the game.
I.E: I’m a shift worker I don’t expect a Mythic raid team to cater to me. However when I do join my guild’s heroic raids I make sure to gear beforehand and give it my all.
Likewise I also know I’m rather weak at some classes. Usually I will not play them with groups that are trying to progress and if my performance was hindering that progression. Some classes I will intentionally stick to Delves/LFR simply because that’s the limit of my profiency level.
(Recently found myself absolutely addicted to Disc priest fantasy… sure as hell never gonna play it in keys because I want people to live. I have a lot of content I can use it in tho!)
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Players that make threads like this are both rude and bad.
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I can see where this thread will eventually end up.
Next exit - Trollville.
My personal thoughts, I don’t think it’s rude to be bad. I do think it’s rude to think everyone should live up to some ones idea of good. It is rude however to deliberately be bad just to ruin the run for others.
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Same here! I started back in Wrath, and was always asking others about stuff.
There’s nothing wrong with being bad. The problem is when someone doesn’t want to learn or improve when it comes to more difficult content.
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What is rude is kicking people out for being bad, Your best for your current stage is your worst for the new stage always! Them kicking people out for being bad is them intentionally preventing people from improving, They are intentionally ensuring people couldn’t become good at the new stage of their progression through the dungeons and raids.
Watching videos and studying the moves of enemies only goes so far, Eventually it comes down to only being about you needing to get gear that those kicking you for being bad are preventing you from obtaining.
^^^
In any multiplayer game, especially in a competitive environment or something where everyone has a shared goal…
…the player dragging their feet is a detriment to everyone else.
So yeah, it is rude to not at least do your job when expected to.
Otherwise, you’re just being a leech.
If solo, you can do whatever you want. Being in a group changes the dynamic of things.
But also: WoW is 20 years old, and a lot of folks generally expect others to already know what to do.
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I’d say it depends on context.
If you’re aiming FAR above your skill-grade, then yeah it’s best to ease into it with something lighter. Inch by inch.
- You’re not going to do your first +2 and then yeet yourself directly into a +16 with the expectation it’ll all be fine
Nor would you go straight from LFR to heroic raiding with no grasping of mechanics and lack of understanding to your own class & spec.
As for stuff more at your skill, gear & expertise, save except a few minor mistakes? Yeah nah, people need to be more chillaxed about all that. lol
Whilst it’s toxic to kick people who don’t adhere to perfection — It’s also toxic to carelelessly expect others to carry you uncompromisingly for your repeated incompetence, with little to no concern for others.
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Ppl get paid to do a job not pay to do a job 
Esport is equivalent to WWE where “E” in both stands for entertainment for the entire point of making the organization a lot of $$$. Its also taxed btw bwahahaha
What we have here is a person who doesn’t play the game seriously grouping with a person who takes it too seriously - games are not suppose to be taken seriously, so the issue is obvious
Not if you apologize in advance.
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Being bad at your job is different than being bad at a game. The only way to get better in WoW is to actually play it.
Addons change absolutely nothing. Dps meters will continue to exist. People will continue to be judged on their performance.
As they should
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There’s so much nuance to this that it’s almost impossible to make such a broad statement.
The best I can do is say that it’s rude to not try and not care when you join a group.
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No you can improve even after you were kicked. Watch YouTube guides, practice in front of a combat dummy, and do your rotation against elites while moving out of all of their special attacks. If elites are too easy, do heroic dungeons solo. If that’s too easy, find something harder.
You can improve outside of the raid.
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The solution is to find a new group. If you are trying to force the perfectionist to accept the bad player, youre doing it wrong. Find a more forgiving group.
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Went to a tshirt making place , because my logic was " making tshirts will be fun’ . Boss man sticks me in a 40 degree basement made during the revolutionary war no doubt, to pressure wash silk screens with cold water.
I went to lunch and never went back.
My friend David got me a job at the gas station the next day.
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You clearly ignored most of what I said, That only takes you so far. Actual experience and obtaining gear from those places is mandatory and you can’t get that if your always getting kicked.
You’re not wrong but the forums are a minority of …people. So, you’ll just get flamed for this.
Yes, it is rude to show up to an event and have no idea what the event is about or how to participate within the context that you were given information or can readily find information on what the event is. You wouldn’t expect to be coddled if you went to run a marathon and walked the whole time.
Applying to a Key, Raid or doing automated LFG Match Making and not understanding the basic concepts of the activity is incredibly rude and undermines the time of XYZ number of players in the same activity.
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