I am starting to get the feeling this is about “my mount is super special because not everyone has it so dont make it easier to get or I will feel bad when I see other players with it” in the end honestly. Not flaming, but the more I read “RNG is fiiine” along with some subtext… its becoming more apparent.
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If you’re collecting stuff, it’s not because they’re easy to get. If everyone is the same, there’s no point in it. If there’s no point in it, why play the game in the first place. There’s no higher ground to want handouts. If you don’t get a mount, you don’t get it.
That’s a lot of nothing like most of your posts, wall of text don’t help you. Bad luck protection don’t exist for tons of things, even like gear. There’s a chance this boss you’re farming never drop a trinket or the weapon you want, it’s possible. It’s also highly possible that even if it drop it will never titanforge or socket.
Considering mounts don’t give power, there’s no reason to put all of them with bad luck protection. That would be reducing the rarity of certain mounts, and again make it less interesting to farm them.
Any numbers or bad luck protection system you would say, doesn’t change the fact that it seems more like at this point you want handouts. You determining a number doesn’t change that.
And like said before I wouldn’t be agaisn’t them putting mounts on vendors or adding other mounts with bad luck protection. But asking to change how a certain mount drop system works just because personnal preference, yea that’s not happening. There’s no Theory or Higher ground to it, you just don’t like it, and it’s normal that lot of people don’t like it because they don’t have the mounts.
Wow, this is still going, huh? Ignore the obvious trolls and keep fighting the good fight. Until then, multibox mythics and use rabbit’s charms while other 2 toons sit afk on the ship (can also do this to level alts 110-120 on normal difficulty). I sure wish I could use my 15,000 dubloons on the 3 remaining mounts I need…
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I’m glad you came here again to show off your failing p2win strategy. Atleast I can respect that you want to farm them off unlike some people.
I blame Blizzard for telling us the paragon rng would be done and then introducing a sadistic rng upon rng feature. It’s how everyone in secrets discord and wowhead are getting them. Whine more, though.
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Yes the concept everybody else is doing it, it’s fine if I do it, is really a moral higher ground 
Look It’s fine you do it, just don’t try to make it like it’s a good or great thing.
And I wouldn’t trust Blizzard for anything right now.
?? The rabbit’s charm is an item the vendor on the ship sells, lol. A lot of trolls kick in pug expeditions, so it was easier to just do them myself (I had 40 million at the end of legion from the missions).
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In all the tons of heroics ies I did I got kicked twice. Because I refused to use an item, yes that was funny. If you got kicked often there might be something you’re not doing right.
And my previous talk was about multiboxing, not using rabbit charm obviously.
In the beginning, you had to kill the mob to have a chance at the loot. Most people rushed to win early on, too. It’s easier to just do them myself and train the alliance NPCs if they start to win.
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Yes before 8.1 . I did more normals because in normals less people rushed and I could solo the islands, and the events would actually always spawn quick, instead of heroics islands events would not spawn most of the time and in mythic events would just never spawn.
Yeah, really didn’t think they could outdo the paragon system, lol. Silly me.
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I personnaly think it’s kinda okay system, since also it seems to have worked to keep people busy around it. I always see people going back to mop mount farming when they’re done with an expan.
The difference is the time it takes to kill Pandaria bosses versus the amount of attempts at getting a mount in these. It’s sadistic, and it really just shows you they want to keep you logged online, lol. It also seems like there’s an invisible bar of exp that will pop and give me a mount after so many of these. For instance, my alts have gotten a mount in the same order,e .g.: A, then B, then, C, then A, then B, then C. Of course it’s all my anecdotal evidence but it’s still interesting. Regardless, I’ll be done if and when this grind is over. It’s far worse to me than any of the other mount grinds I’ve done.
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I have litteraly got 2 mounts in 2 days (I was glad because I got so sad that the first of those 2 was the skeletal horse- to honest that horse is disgusting). The rng level is high. For me atleast since I’m killing the ies not doing the rabbit charm, I feel it’s a bit more active atleast than just going back to old raids. Soo is so long to do.
That’s lucky! I usually go weeks before getting another, lol. I enjoy IEs in theory; I just wish the loot was easier to target. It’s par for the course for me this expansion, though, since I am not really a fan of the warfronts or pvp in BFA too much. Oh well. I’m going to hop off - keep chugging along with the IEs and I hope the rng is in your favor with the remaining ones!
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Who said “easy to get” ? You seem to be defining anything not RNG - more precisely anything that doesn’t put upper limits on potential outcomes - as inherently easy, which mostly just illustrates the very weird reverence you place on RNG.
I also said that the more extreme the potential negative outcome, the more likely a bad luck protection system should be designed. Many RNG outcomes - most in fact - don’t necessarily cross that threshold.
No worries. There’s only nothing if you lack reading comprehension. Also, bad luck protection is rarely necessary for gear because for purposes of transmog (which can be farmed when an expansion is past and people out-level the content) the drop rates are generally high and set to a point where acquisition is pretty easily obtainable in not a lot of runs. Maybe the Garrosh shoulders might qualify? I honestly don’t know many transmog items that exist at very low drop rates other than that single one.
And in terms of gearing power, the loot tables tend to involve significant planning (got to consider each spec), loot trading is possible with others in the raid (greatly reducing the tier-long effect of RNG, though not as well as master looter did), and in the longer term than that… gear resets afford quick catch-ups, rendering the need for the drop for purposes of gear power moot.
I never said all mounts need to be put on a bad luck protection. I said the more severe the potential outcomes, the more worthwhile bad luck protection systems are, and that if RNG is already reasonable with other mounts, your bad luck protection system for them might not matter because players might never hit a point unlucky enough to trigger it (and thus it might not be worthwhile to spend the time designing it). I also said that the 100% drops converted into 1% drops might be better left alone because that might be more accurately thought of as a penalty for not getting the mount when the tier in the current expansion and it dropped at 100%.
And of course, tons of other mounts are acquired in different ways. Various currencies obtained in different ways based on the different gameplay associated, rare spawns, rewards for skill-based endeavors of all types in PvE, rewards for engaging in a lot of PvP, rewards for earning the highest ranks in PvP, etc. The notion that by identifying a very small sub-set of mounts with very extreme potential RNG outcomes as worthy of bad luck protection systems it undoes the whole tapestry of varied mount acquisition is silly.
No rational person uses the word “handouts” as if it means something inherent to deterministic reward structures based around grinding out a currency. That’s just a bizarre use of the word. It’s no different than when the last guy tried to use the word “entitled” to describe feedback critical of badly designed loot systems overly reliant on RNG. It’s absurd, and looks like a weird effort to build yourself up as willing to work for rewards against the mean people who want all your rewards for free. Except no one is asking for anything for free, and RNG can reward people who put in practically no effort while punishing those who put in maximal effort.
Are you schizophrenic? You wouldn’t be against it, but asking to change it based on personal preference is what you’re against? And what do you think feedback usually is? People ignoring their personal preference to give dissertations from data collection? You might as well write, “I’m not against putting them on vendors, as long as it’s not based on feedback!”
Of course, there is theory or “higher ground” as well to it. Pretending like there’s not only makes it seem like you lack the ability to absorb long conversation. Game design and player psychology and the various tools available to increase engagement and adjust for deterring factors and all that stuff… that’s all something developers on top of it would generally consider. Blizzard’s not really been on top of it lately, judging by BFA, but you know, you kind of assume they WANT to be back on top of it.
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I’m just gonna say pass on that, nothing of value was said.
Cool, glad you’re going to forego a bunch of nonsensical non-sequitur responses this time pretending like you could rebut anything.
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You only attack me personnaly and don’t bring anything new to the discussion. If you feel like bringing solid points based on any other things than feelings and baseless opinions, I’m hopen to listen to them.
Yes, you seem to take people responding to your asinine points as a personal attack, that’s true. Though my responses actually addressed the theory of game design, player psychology, developer goals, and importance of feedback. You know, things not based on “feelings” and “baseless opinions,” which you seem to be trying to label that way as a knee-jerk response to having had no real good points yourself.
But it’s cool, go back to declaring those providing negative feedback and offering suggestions to be people that want “handouts.” I’m sure that probably feels like a rhetorical win?
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