Here’s a quick example during Legion and the Broken Shore scenario:
In the scenario, Jaina is with the Alliance, up until just after she makes an ice bridge for us to cross. When the Horde side collapses, and the Alliance needs to retreat, she’s just gone. After the Alliance gets away and Varian was killed, she shows up in Dalaran like nothing happened. Then there’s the vote to allow the Horde back into Dalaran and she takes off in a huff until she showed up again in BfA.
The game has a lot of inconsistencies like that. Because they come up with these “cool” moments and then just fail utterly at integrating them into the overall story.
Jaina hasn’t trusted the Horde since Pandaria and tried to get Varian to dismantle the Horde after Siege of Orgrimmar.
Then in Legion when both factions agreed to work together, Jaina with her already uneasy relationship with the Horde saw them supposedly abandon them at the shore. Afterwards Jaina gave up on trying to work with the Horde and went into isolation and was consumed with hate. She returned in BFA unleashing a full barrage of canons at Lordaeron.
Over time though, Jaina changed her mind. Baine opened her eyes to what the good in the Horde, and after seeing Thrall again she changed her mind.
Yes I read what you wrote and I just described the entire scenario to you because you obviously misunderstood some stuff and changed some stuff to suit your narrative.
Jaina doesn’t “disappear” from the scenario. She’s with us the entire way. She just doesn’t appear in the cinematic because…quite frankly her model sucked.
Except the entire time she was arguing with the council telling them not to let the Horde in because of what happened at the Broken Shore. The council tell her off and then she leaves.
Then why didn’t she, uh, do anything at all when the Alliance needed to escape? A mass teleport would have come in handy instead of letting Varian die.
Hint: She didn’t do anything because she vanished after setting up the ice bridge.
Yeah, she acts like she didn’t just abandon the Alliance.
Can you point me to the part where she disappeared after setting up the ice bridge? Oh no you can’t. Because I just watched an old playthrough of the Broken Shore Scenario and Jaina is there until the very end.
She’s not given screentime because Blizzard needed to kill off Varian in someway, evoking a reaction from Jaina that would lead into Kul Tiras and Anduin.
Because she never did. You’re just lying and making stuff up. Get a better example next time.
Yeah, that’s my point. It’s a blatant inconsistency. She could have easily saved everyone, but she didn’t because Blizz decided that killing Varian was more important than any plot holes.
Really was that your point? Because last I checked you were just saying she left prior to anything happening and betrayed the Alliance.
Why is your argument changing now?
And also, killing Varian was fine. It held emotional weight, and sometimes it’s best to just go through with something. Heck, by your logic I could just say “Why didn’t Illidan just fly away after he started to lose at Black Temple?”
King r was killed and horde/talanji acted like it was no bug deal. If someone killed my goldfish I’d go after them. Just didnt make sense to not counter attack. And the loa could have easily crushed any attackers. But they only had 1 of them help.
What other explanation is there for her not doing anything to help the Alliance escape? She could have easily teleported Varian and the rest away. She could have easily frozen the giant Fel Reaver.
But, as I keep saying, Blizzard decided on this “cool” scene where Varian dies and they didn’t care how many plot holes were in the way.
Why are you defending Blizzard so much? You act like you have a personal stake in their writing capabilities.
First, Illidan didn’t have anywhere to fly to, he’d lost everything at that point.
Second, Illidan isn’t the type to run away from a fight.
Actually. No. That isn’t what happened. The entirety of Troll civilization mourned his death, Talanji had a heartbreaking cinematic about it, and the devastation caused by the attack left the Zandalari fleet in ruins.
That entire attack caused Sylvanas to make a pact with Azshara.
They didn’t have the forces to counterattack. That was the entire point.
You just dodged the entire question. Why did your point suddenly just change? You kept saying Jaina left. Now I proved you wrong and you’re saying that Jaina was there and that she could’ve done something.
Teleportation is a really difficult thing to use in story writing. What’s the point in boats when someone could teleport everyone to a certain location?
Also, sometimes cool just trumps tiny plotholes. Nobody had an issue with the Broken Shore except you for some reason.
You just did it again. I’m defending Blizzard in this particular department because I actually like parts of their writing. I’m not some stupid bandwagon jumper who loves to hate everything that I fuel with my own money.
I call out what’s bad, and I like what I like. Is that so hard to understand? Oh no, because I have to either be a hater or a shill? Right?
That’s a pretty weak excuse man. And also why are you answering a question that wasn’t for you?
I didn’t dodge anything. I want you to explain why Jaina didn’t help in the evacuation if she actually was there.
My position is still that she wasn’t there. You’re the one insisting she was there. So if you were right, then I want to hear your explanation as to how she wasn’t able to teleport anyone other than herself since she didn’t make it onto the airship.
Except with Jaina who uses it at the drop of a hat. The only time we’ve seen her have difficulty in teleporting is when facing off against Queen Azshara, one of the most powerful mages on Azeroth.
No. Bad.
I’m not “hating everything”. That’s something you made up entirely on your own and I want an apology.
You asked me that question. That’s why I answered it.
It’s not rocket science to figure out how you literally just changed your stance on the Broken Shore event. Going from “she wasn’t there” to “she was there.”
Again, I’ve told you why she didn’t teleport the entire universe. If she did, it would’ve been much worse of what actually happened. If you can teleport entire armies, then what can’t you do? What you’re asking for is a Mary Sue, and THAT is a legitimate example of bad writing.
Do you want a Mary Sue? Seems so.
Where’s your evidence for that? Oh. Assumptions? Okay.
She used it once on Genn, Anduin, Alleria, and herself in Lordaeron. Heck, she couldn’t even teleport a ship to Lordaeron. She raised it and brought it there. There’s obviously some restraints in her abilities, and the writers are smart for not allowing her to teleport entire armies. That’s stupid. And why she had difficulty? Because Azshara is literally the most powerful mage in the entire world who blocked her teleportation. That’s it.
What?
I never said you were hating on everything. That’s something you made up my guy. Talk about hypocrisy.
I… didn’t. That was at another poster and then you quoted it. Reading is a powerful tool.
That’s all directed at me. There’s no insinuation that part of it is being directed at anyone else. And it’s not all that far back, you could have looked at it yourself very easily.
You literally just cannot read can you? I’m explaining to you why she never did.
And she is.
Did you just forget everything I just told you? She is there at the standoff with Gul’dan. Want proof? Go look yourself. She’s right there. We never saw her get on the Airship, so you can’t definitively say what actually happened because you don’t know.
It’s like I’m talking to a brick wall. Her teleportation wasn’t blocked. Again, if Jaina did teleport the entire army, it would cause an issue in the future where everyone would question why she doesn’t just teleport entire armies into certain locations. Giving her that level of power is ludicrous and breaks the way magic works.
I don’t get how this is so hard to understand after I have repeated myself 4 times now.
Except… there’s no insinuation that it was directed at you, and rather more of a general term I referred to. You asked if I had a personal stake in the writing and I said no. I just said I don’t personally hate something I fuel.
If anything it’s more obvious that it’s NOT directed at you. I don’t know why you want to try and play semantics when you struggle to read things I have told you 4 times over.
She wasn’t there. She wasn’t on the air ship. So you can’t definitively say what happened either.
So if her teleportation wasn’t blocked, then why is Varian a pile of dust instead of chilling in Stormwind?
So you if you make a whole post that’s in response to something I said, I need to read your mind in order to figure out what parts are directed toward me?
If you didn’t mean to direct it toward me, then why didn’t you actually direct it to the person that was meant to read it. How were they supposed to know you had made a response to something they said while hiding it away in some other post?
But you know what? I’m done here. It’s obvious you can’t handle any criticism of Blizzard and you’re just going to keep arguing in circles over a blatant and obvious inconsistency on Blizzard’s end.
Actually not really. He may have explained it that way but if you’re going to write like that you’re storyboarding these big scenes but you already have your overall story in mind. How did we get here? We have these characters already pre-planned and written and how they would act to get to these scenes. There’s nothing wrong with writing a story around the climax or high points first but it does make things more complicated. Not to mention writing for a movie or a screenplay is a lot different than writing a book or a game.
Golden and Danuser clearly don’t. They have the “Jaina on a boat” and “Battle of Dazar’alor” scenes set up but they have no idea how to get there or a way for those stories to string together in a way that makes sense and is satisfying for the reader.
Was Varian’s death intended? No. It happened in a split second.
SHE WAS THERE AT THE CONFRONTATION WITH GUL’DAN. My goodness! How many times must I repeat myself?
Thanks captain obvious. That’s why I never said she did or not. I just said it was obvious she never left prior to the cinematic.
I’m sick and tired of repeating myself. I’ve said it multiple times now that Blizzard omitted her from the cinematic for reasons that include avoiding a Mary Sue and giving an old character a reasonable send off that develops multiple future plotlines. Sometimes creative liberties have to be made. For example: In the God of War series we have a character named Kratos who is a god so powerful that he can hold the weight of the world. Yet for story and gameplay purposes he just can’t kill everything in one hit. That would be boring and dull.
You don’t need to read my mind. You just have to get rid of your victim mentality that you have for some reason.
I’m using an example. I’m saying I’m not a hater, but I like things I like and hate things I don’t. I’m telling you that because you asked.
I can handle criticism of Blizzard my guy. I hated Battle for Azeroth. It was extremely boring. But I personally liked the story, and so I defended the stuff I liked.
But hey, thanks for proving me right. Because in your little fantasy world everything is black and white.
That wasn’t far back. But you obviously didn’t read it like how you didn’t read anything I explained to you repeatedly. Unfortunate. Oh well, your issue not mine.